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With the Redskins in disarray, several friends of mine have sworn off following the Redskins the rest of the year, and even one switching to the Ravens. At this point, I wanted to ping the community and get a feel for how bad things are, or if it's just fans being emotional and something that will pass.

1.) Do you own season tickets, and if so, would you ever hand them in? (For those that don't have tickets, would you ever buy them if your name came on the list for decent view uppers or corner lowers)?

2.) Would you ever team change loyalty given Snyder is not likely to change his ways of controlling the front office and Cerrato seems to have job security?

3.) If the Skins continue at this rate, do you foresee yourself participating in anything to send a message to the front office, whether it be paper bags or something else?

4.) Are you going out of your way to not spend money on official Redskins gear or concessions sold at Fedex?

I of course will always defend the team and remain loyal, but my patience is certainly thin.

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Would you like Dan Snyder to do more public interviews?
Yes
404 votes
No
149 votes

553 votes | Poll has closed

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I don’t want to see Danny boy brought out for interviews. Everytime I watch the Cowboys I want to vomit! How many times do they interview Jerry Jones? and then how many times do they show him in the box? I do not want to hear from any owners on a regular basis. No other owners get interviewed before, after, and during every game.

After I saw him pick his nose and eat it I was about to lose it. Maybe he just couldn’t afford one of his $75 pizzas b/c he spent/wasted so much money on the Boss Hog Dome.

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that Danny boy being interviewed is one step in the right direction…for his image at least. It’s pretty embarrassing when a team sues it’s fans and tries to hold them accountable for ridiculous contracts, then turns around and sells the tickets. Additionally trying to act like an adolescent and claim that everyone else is doing it when clearly, they aren’t. Even if they were, aren’t the ’skins supposed to be better than that?

sorry about the mini rant but I want some accountability at the least.

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious image of Skeletor

I don’t want to see Snyder on the field either. But, a Q & A session with the right person could be interesting.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

State of the Redskins Nation

To answer your questions

1.) I do not own, nor do I want to buy season tickets to line Danny’s pockets.

2.) It’s a distinct possibility

3.) Yes. I have created a group on Facebook called Hit Dan Snyder Where It Hurts——His Wallet!! if you use Facebook, look it up and join. Also thinking about organizing a march at FedEx Field before the start of the last game of the season against the Cowpokes.

4.) Since I do not own season tickets, I do not buy Redskins merchandise at other locations.

I am one fan that is not being emotional. I am just tired of the mess and laughing stock that Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato has turned this once pround organization into.

by MikeMcClure on Oct 13, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Change your loyalty?

You are a worhtless sack of shit. The kind of scum that would let his mother die if in turn you reaped benefits for yourself. Please go be a fan of another team, win or lose real fans have the stomach to deal with it and keep rooting for their team. RedskinsNation doesnt want you or need you. Peace bitch.

by TheOverLordMarshl on Oct 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You need a life

You’re taking this way too seriously.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then go get on the Vikings blog.

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

couldn't have said it better myself

+22

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

are you an asshole…

by lik da freak on Oct 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it makes no sense

to call each other names and get mad at each other. This conversation is about our being fans of a team in shambles and how we deal with it. Lets grow up a bit and get back on point.

by monk81 on Oct 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the redskins’ SB nation blog…there’s nothing resembling football to discuss here.

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Go fuck yourself Overlord and anyone else who thinks that Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato will bring the Lombardi Trophy back to Washington. You are the delusional ones. If you want to be continually spoon fed an inferior product, then by all means, act like the mindless zombies that you are. If you want to continue throwing your hard earned money away to Danny Boy, then go right ahead. Who am I to stop you? Oh, that’s right, I am the scum that would let his mother die to make a buck. I’ve probably been a fan longer than you have been alive, you sack shit (OverLord). I bet you think you feel all high and mighty THINKING you put me my place and having me see the error of my way of not being a mindless Danny Boy zombie

by MikeMcClure on Oct 14, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overlord's response was over the top

I mean if you wanna quit the team, quit it who cares? Snyder won’t notice and we won’t care and you can sit around talking about how you really stuck it to the man.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for anybody that doesn't know

thurgood’s responses are always over the top. that’s just how he is. it’s the passion for his team

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 14, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I wasn't critiquing Thurgood

I was just being sarcastic towards Mike McDueche

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no excuses

I don’t buy into the modern day “there’s an excuse for everything” BS. The comments weren’t appropriate. Even so all he did was show what kind of person he is – he didn’t hurt me or my support for the team.

by aFan4Life on Oct 15, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which he shouldn't have

it’s a blog. sometimes thick skin is required. if it get to be too much again, the mods will handle it

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point was

not to make excuses for him. He did what he did.

No big deal to me because people who do that consistently usually end up being ignored.

by aFan4Life on Oct 15, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I wasn't trying to encourage Overlord

There’s no real point in being that over the top or personalized I just felt like poking some fun at Mike. Rekka’s right though sometimes thick skin is required.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hit Dan Snyder Where It Hurts——His Wallet!!

To any and all who actually think they are going to seriously impact a multi-billionaire by not buying pretzels and beer: You are DELUSIONAL. This guy was rich before he bought the Skins. Now he’s just richER and way too diversified to be touched by petty, insignificant boycotts.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree

It takes a LOT of folks to do it, but if we ALL boycott, Snyder WILL hear the message… and maybe, just maybe, give us, the customers, what we want.

Hey, I’m a Redskins fan for life…. but I’m boycotting. I won’t wear my Redskins colors until the season is over, and I won’t buy new Redskins stuff (or visit Mr. Snyder’s restraunt, etc.) until they get a GM and a new Coach, OR until they prove me wrong… I’m not holding my breath that they’ll EVER prove me wrong. I turned down an opportunity to get Tix for the New Orleans game (I live down in Virginia Beach, so it’s rare that I get to go to a game; only two ever, and one was in Joe Robbie stadium, preseason, against the Dolphins, back during ’Bone’s year; the other was against the Ravens a few years back, during Gibbs comeback; we lost both, go figure).

I have maybe fifty Redskins shirts, jackets, sweaters, Jerseys, etc. I have mugs, coffee mug cozies, Christmas ornaments, clocks, decals, etc. No more. I won’t get rid of them, of course, but I’m going to tell everyone I’m a Redskins fan who is ashamed of our ownership, and I’m protesting. It only takes a few of us starting it to get EVERYONE protesting… and then maybe Mr. Snyder will sit down, hire a GM (or give Vinnie REAL power… I’m willing to believe Vinnie may be able to do the job if Snyder would stop trying to be the REAL GM), and then Snyder needs to shutup and WATCH THE GAME. If he does that, three, four, five years down the road, somebody may hand him a trophy…. but if he doesn’t, all that’s going to be handed to him is his head on a platter when the fans stop protesting and start rioting.

by BillWard on Oct 15, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

State of Redskins Nation

1) I don’t own tickets season tickets.

2) Hell no, I was born a Skins fan and will die one.

3) Depending on how the message is sent, yes. But paper bags or anything that would do anything to tarnish the franchise along with The Danny is unacceptable.

4) Not going out of my way, but I do think twice.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Right there with you except for #4

4. No, b/c by the time I’m in FedEx I’m pretty drunk and all I really buy/worry about is getting another beer.

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider sneaking in beer or booze at the game. They just make you pour it out or put it in a trash can if they catch you…bfd.

by liger99 on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This actually does work with multiple layers.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes it does. Don’t forget to double ziploc the booze when u sneak it in.

by liger99 on Oct 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? You’d spend $8 on shitty beer? That’s probably one of the biggest margin items they have. It’s also one thing Danny thinks people will always buy so he marks it up so much.

Have some self-respect.

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last time I checked it was a football stadium for football fans. They don’t offer $16 micro brews, margaritas, or fine wines. Sorry to disappoint.

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, thanks for looking that up for me, but I think you completely missed the point…and actually I think they do offer wine and mararitas on the club level so…thanks for playing.

Listen to liger99 and don’t waste your money

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll be sure to pick up a

mararitas
next game

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask for it by name, tell ’em snowburnt sent you.

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the problem

How cool would it be to have a public forum with Danny boy?

If he has presser its just going to be set up with people that are going to only ask stuff that he will like or they will never set foot in Redskin Park again.

I’d rather see Vinny have more interviews/pressers (Not on Redskins Nation) and be asked some legit questions.

“Like hey dumbass, why didn’t you draft any offensive linemen?”

“Hey dumbass, my 4 year old cousin can run a franchise better than you on Madden”

“Hey Vin, remember when Marty fired you?”

I don’t think we should fire Vinny, just hire a GM and make Vin the head of accounting b/c he is good at one thing… crunching salary cap numbers…

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric Schaffer crunches the cap numbers…….no need for vinny.

by TheOverLordMarshl on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea

1. Yes. No. I waited too long to get them and remain optimistic that at some point before my death we will return to glory.
2. Absolutely not.
3. I won’t boo the team or wear a bag on my head, but I’m all about signing petitions and participating in organized rallies to send a message to ownership.
4. I probably won’t make it back to Landover any more this season, but I did buy a new hat this past weekend.

Anyone answering Yes to #2 should just leave now. Ba-bye.

by ReggieBullits on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Nail on head
Anyone answering Yes to #2 should just leave now. Ba-bye.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

thrice

and don’t let the door hit you.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, let it

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

in the vagina

by travisjh86 on Oct 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quiz

I don’t remember the questions but I know my answers Im still a fan, still going to the games stil. I think the term fair weathered should come into play anytime anyone is willing to give up. there are still teams that have yet to win a game or only have one win. In there defense thes skins have pretty much been in every game they have played with a chance to win each one. It should be obvious that the Redskins are a team in transition. The only thing I am on board with is that Zorn must go, then I realize that no one wanted the job other than Gary Williams in the first place so you have to go with some unproven guy that want the job (Rus Grimm). With no big name coach there is no pressure for him to win right away

The Rod has spoken

by Rodskin on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Ahh, a positive ray of light on Hogs Haven, thanks rodskin!

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed

A calm, sane voice in the face of panic.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skins
It should be obvious that the Redskins are a team in transition.

This is where I respectfully disagree. The Redskins truly believe every year they are a contender when they are not. They have no depth and lack any type of team chemistry. Gibbs restored some of that….too bad Gibbs was not allowed to choose his replacement.

by KevinE on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Training Camp...

1.) Devin & Malcolm worked so hard this off-season and it was expected this would be their break out year…Fred Davis too. I was at training camp, it still baffles me their play does not show up on Sundays.
2.) Yaar #2 for Zorn. All the players and coaches said how much smoother things were running now they have a year under their belt.
3.) Adding Haynesworth and Orakpo to an already “4th” ranked defense.
4.) Campbell’s off-season improvements.

Expectations were running high.

by KevinE on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think about it

The O-line has alot of new faces (Jansen Out ), secondary is changing (Springs Out), new receivers( they still kinda suck but i like Devin ), new running backs comming in(Mason) Marcus Washington those guys can still play but when your rebuilding they take reps away from the young talent. Its a slow process but its happening right before your very eyes. No team comes out and says that they are rebuilding because that would destroy any faith that the team has a chance to win.

The Rod has spoken

by Rodskin on Oct 13, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of the young olinemen who will play this year will be part of any kind of ‘transition’. They will all be cut or benched come August 2010.

The only one with the potential to start was Reinhart, and we all saw how that turned out.

Marcus Mason is a practice squad player who may or may not stick around.

There is no replacement for Marcus Washington.

The ‘transition’ WRs sure don’t look to be panning out.

This team isn’t transitioning to anything. To do so would require draft picks and someone who’s good at using them. IE not Snyderrato

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we’ve been a team in transition from Jack Kent Cooke to the next decent owner

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am with you

Gary Williams could coach this team better.

by liger99 on Oct 13, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Greg

Williams would do better than the Terp’s BB Coach, but I grok you.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Oct 13, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but how long

is the damned transition going to take? seems like we have been in transition for ten years now…

by lik da freak on Oct 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some will say regarding...
It should be obvious that the Redskins are a team in transition.

that the frustration is that we are not a team in transition (at least without a plan to get better). Others will say we are transitioning downward from mediocrity to frighteningly poor. Are “true” fans the ones who accept what’s happening and cheer or are the folks like me who are revolted by what I’m seeing (in large part; not all) EVERY Sunday with little or no improvement.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a fan, as long as I watch football I’ll be a skins fan…but I’m realistic, this team sucks ass right now. Typing this will not make it better.

Boycotting ’skins gear and concessions does not make you less of a fan.

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing is, it appears that we're a divided fanbase

when it comes to Snyder. The real question appears to be not with his ownership but with his managing style. That style and refusal to stop messin with the product has led to the fanbase disgust. That most of the reasons for the demise of the franchise are tied to his decisions in the eyes of the fans. The perception is that our erstwhile GM is nothing more than a personal secretary to “the man” and the guy in charge of the team is way too much of a novice or a nice guy to get the job done while looking over his shoulder about his job security.

A better question appears to be, has your Redskins fan status become dependant on if Dan sells the team or if he hires a real GM and gets out of the way? Choice two is based on the concept, if the guy finally sees the light and gets out of his own way. Choice one, is an indication that he has so ruined your experience that you can no longer separate the team from the insult to your fandom.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone should ban buying Redskins anything, how hard is that?

1. Don’t own them and I would consider buying them.
2. Would not team change.
3. YES. Even though I dont have season tickets I regularly go to them, it has been increasingly depressing to go to the games the last 2 years. I will not be going to anymore until some sort of philosiphy change happens. i.e., Cerrato is out or a new GM is inserted even though Danny will need Cerrrato to still hold his hand, which by the way is what I envision coming.
4. YES we have put a halt on anything Redskins and I’ve been told the same by other Skins fans.

by skinsymets on Oct 13, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn I just bought a Glenn Pakulak jersey yesterday

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To those questioning their loyalty:

Anyone questioning if they will continue to be a fan or not of the Redskins is ridiculous. You are the definition of bandwagon fan, you choose to cheer when we are doing good but don’t support the team when they actually need our support, instead you blast them and boo them and put your loyalty on the line. You people that are questioning if you will continue to be a fan will be back when the team is doing good and I will look at you with disgust. Being a fan ahs it’s ups and downs, you’re not putting your fanship on the line because the owner sucks, you’re quitting because you are a bitch. Let me help you make your decision:

GO THE FUCK AWAY

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

this situation is so much more than simply a team going through a bad year.

respect that this situation is far bigger and more drastic.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what is bigger and more drastic ???

The Rod has spoken

by Rodskin on Oct 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8-8? Right.

We will be lucky to finish with six wins. What 6 games are we going to win?

by williamhudsonlink on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

8-8 was years past. maybe under Gibbs, when Portis and the OL still had it.

now? no.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we always take 2 from the Eagles!

sigh….trying to remain positive.

by KevinE on Oct 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And often 1 from the Cowgirls...

Let it be in their accursed new stadium for Jerruh to watch personally and have their fans pay even more for tickets to see what we are going thru.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the situation

is that much bigger and more drastic, then they can save themselves the pain and just roll. like travis said, through good times and bad times.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

respect that this situation is far bigger and more drastic.

Is it really? Yes, I realize we haven’t been great, but there’s no way anyone can justifiably want to change teams. People around here are acting as if we haven’t won a game this year, and we didn’t win any games last year. Don’t get me wrong, if someone comes up with a logical way to get Snyder to change his ways I’m all for it. But for someone to even think about switching teams tells me that they weren’t much of a fan in the first place. I don’t care if you’ve been a “fan” of the team for 30 years, if you decide to switch teams you’re being what’s called a bandwagon fan.

How come the Raiders of the past few years still have fans? How comes the Lions still have fans? How come the Saints before Drew Brees came to town had fans? Because the fans that were there during the 0-16,1-15, and 2-14 seasons were and still are true die hard fans. When’s the last time we had a deplorable season like that?

I’m not being delusional, I know things need to change because we all want the glory days restored. But I’m not being overly dramatic either, by wanting to change my team loyalty.

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

what he said

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

that I don’t see any logic or emotional ability to switch teams. But you said, “but don’t support the team when they actually need our support”, which I think is understating the issue.

Again, I’m not defending changing loyalties, just saying, put this discussion in the right context. We are held hostage year after year by one of the most inept owners in the league. This isn’t simply an issue of a team having a bad year.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you said, "but don’t support the team when they actually need our support", which I think is understating the issue.

I never said that.

However, I realize that this isn’t just based on this year, because we’ve only played 5 games this year and we haven’t even officially had a bad year yet. But, if we were 2-14 for years, every year, and the owner didn’t want to do anything to change that, then I could see how someone would want to change teams. But the fact remains, we haven’t been great, but we haven’t been terrible either. So I just don’t see how anyone can justify switching team affiliations.

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since 1992 we have one of the 5 worst records in the NFL

Snyder has sent two mediocre teams to the playoffs, for a combined 1-2 record. (the ‘99 team wasn’t built by him, and he dismantled it as quickly as possible)

Terribleness is precisely where we’ve been for 17 years, and where we’re headed.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

watch out

lots of folks here are seriously delusional. Don’t confuse them with facts. :P

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're going down a different road if we're talking about before Snyder got here

Everyone wants to blame Snyder for our problems, but according to you, we were bad before he even got here. So is everyone upset at Snyder or is everyone upset with the Redskins as a whole? If everyone’s upset with Snyder, 1992-1998 has nothing to do with him. If everyone’s upset with the Redskins as a whole for the past 20 something years, don’t blame Snyder for things that happened before he even got here.

So are we talking about the Redskins under Snyder (which is what I thought was the subject) or are we talking about the Redskins before Snyder got here?

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude

you’re hitting them with too much common sense. they can’t handle that right now

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fan frustration: 17 years old

Snyder being one of the most inept owners in the league: going on 10 years, soon unable to be called anything other than ‘terrible’

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the NFL and its sports

Every single team no matter what sport has prolonged eras of suckiness and then have eras of success. The most consisten team in the NFL is the Steelers and they are not the the norm.

But theres not a team in the NFL that you can look out that has not blown ass at some point in your life time.

So why did we suck from 92-99, was JKC as shitty owner? Why did he keep Norv for so many years of mediocrity? (I know he died in 97) I’m pissed he moved the team to MD. It took JCK 21 years to win a Super Bowl! And was 52-81-8 in his first 10 years where Snyder is 76-84.

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty much what I'm saying

We’re not going to be a Super Bowl contender every year. At one point, the Steelers were terrible, the Giants were terrible, the Patriots were terrible, etc… No one knows for sure what’s going to happen in the coming years, yet a lot of people act as if we’ve never won a Super Bowl and we’ve gone 3-13 for the past 30 years. If you’re a fan, act like it and stop whining about how much we suck and how we’re the worst team ever. You just make yourself sound like an idiot doing so.

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What's unique about our situation

is Dan Snyder. Here we are 10 years into his reign of mediocrity (at best), and he’s still no closer to hiring an actual good GM and taking a back seat.

Nothing will change until Danny hires a real GM or sells the team.

There will be no era of success as long as Danny refuses to hire a real GM.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like pas493 said

JKC was 52-81-8 in his first 10 years and it took him 21 years to win a Super Bowl. Snyder has a better record in his first 10 years, so how do we know for sure that there won’t be any success under Snyder? Based on JKC’s first 10 years and the team’s record, how many people would have said that he’s a great owner and he was going to bring some championships to the Redskins? The fact is, we don’t know for sure.

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did he have a GM?

was he following a proven NFL organizational structure?

context matters. Snyder is trying a failed strategy year after year.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd have to ask pas493

He’s the know it all on this site :)

But the only thing that matters is wins and losses. You can follow a proven NFL organizational structure and still lose.

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, I wish.

I think Sammy Baugh was the QB, LB, P, RB, O-line, Coach, and GM.

Vince Lombardi was the guy that initially turned it around for the Skins. Hmmm… maybe we need another former SB winning coach from Green Bay…

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was checking it out b/c I wasn’t alive but he didn’t come on board until 1978. which means we have about 7 or 8 more years of Vinny.

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could also buy lottery tickets and hope to win retirement money

Personally, I’d rather be smart with my money.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with that

is that you may get stuck with redskins tickets for 20 years depending on which lottery tickets you buy.

by monk81 on Oct 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's true

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would LOVE to be stuck with tickets for 20 years.

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true but

I thought there was better talent on the Norv Turner teams and the the problem was coaching. It’s easier to solve a coaching problem than an owner/GM problem. In fact Danny’s little Napolean complex is making it harder to solve the current coaching problem and THAT’S the difference. Plus ignoring the OL for so many years is ridiculous – it really is like something some idiot Madden gamer would do. Anyone who is professionally involved in fottball should know that the OL is important. Danny’s reign as owner/GM has been one of vast incompetence.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter what I may have sounded like...

or come across as, changing team loyalties has never been part of the equation. It’s a given not even to be considered. And, I’ve already stated I’m not going to wear a bag or boo the team, except occasionally when the really stink up the joint. (Boo that is – bags are for morons.)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really well said!

But, if anyone wants in I’m putting in a bid to buy the Rams and planning to move them to RFK, I need investors. You;ll get a free pass to jump on the bandwagon.

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and Michael Moore...

getting together to out bid Rush? :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blast but only rarely boo...

as when they are not giving effort or did something really stupid (then I’m booing the coaches and FO).

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

should be the Hogs Haven motto.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are not, who we thought they were...

The team is just not that good. Every year we(I) look at the roster and see things that are just not there. Portis is still a good RB, but the line has been on the decline for the last 4-5 yrs. Key position get ignored year after year because we dodn’t have a GM, an owner that is more focused on winning on paper during the off season, than durring the regular season. I will not pay for tickects to the game or buy anymore gear. Now, that being said, I would be happy so recieve free tickets and a parking pass, that would bring me into that horrible experience they call Fed-Ex Field. I rather, no, I am buying a new LCD for the MAN CAVE, and will enjoy all of the NFL teams on Sunday, when JC can’t hit that complicated slant pattern!

by FtWashClassic on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I AM A FAN!

1) I have season tickets and will continue to have them
2) I would never change teams. It just wouldn’t ever happen
3) I would assist sending a message but I would only do in the classiest way. i wouldn’t be disrespectful and I would make sure that it had a clear message. If these things aren’t followed than its just immature bs.
4) It doesn’t stop me, but I do think twice. I don’t go out of my way, but I still do things like buy Breakfast Blitz cereal and send it to my cowboy fan friend in Afghanistan and witha message that says “You can eat this or starve”

by monk81 on Oct 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

my answers

1.) I don’t have nore have I ever had season tickets but I live in Nebraska so it’s not something I have thought about. Right now I would not buy season tickets because I have no faith in the Snyder method of owning and managing an NFL team. I honestly don’t think this team will ever become better than mediocre without some radical changes at the top of the organization, namely Snyder hiring a real GM and getting his nose out of the details of the personnel decisions. The team needs a real GM and real talent scouts.

2.) Yes, at one point I tried to stop being a fan but I couldn’t. To be honest I’m not sure what straw is going to break the camels proverbail back but it’s getting close. I’ve always ‘sorta’ like the Vikings so they’d be my new team – I just can’t bring myself to do it yet.

3.) No because I think Snyder is too arrogant to care about what a fan like myself thinks.

4.) Yes to spending less on Redskins gear (Fedex isn’t really applicable).

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ps

If I leave it will be for good and to anyone who thinks I’m a fair weather fan after enduring the 17 year drought is an idiot. Some people like to be delusional and think this team will be good without some radical changes but they are only fooling themselves. Oh this team with better coaching could be 8-8 but not more than that with the current OL and nediocre QB / WR play.

I should say that the most likely thing for me will be to just stop watching the NFL. I have no desire to watch games where I don’t care about the teams and I don’t want to watch my teams get killed every week. I have so many other things to do in life that it’s just easier to ignore the NFL all together.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone would agree

that we have been repeatedly slapped in the face for 17 years. My opinion that this team may be good this year or next has nothing to do with why Ill never change. I always hope we will be better, I always go into the season with a sense of what may be. But I root for the Burgundy and Gold without fail. I just couldn’t bring myself to love any other team. I love the history this team has. I love wearing my Art Monk t-shirt. I love hearing my grandfather talk about the team back in the day. when he says “you don’t know anything until you see the way they sucked back in the day”, I believe him because he has a frame of reference. I love hearing my dad talk about Jurgenson, Fisher, and Hanburger. I love hearing my mom talk about my dad leaving her in the stands 8 months pregnant to go hang out on the field after the game. Fortunately, Jacoby saw her by herself and came over and chatted with her. I’m sure she was gushing to him about the next baby boy that was on the way and what a great, handsome man, he would be.

by monk81 on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Similar to Baseball for me

Lived and breathed a Baltimore O fan growing up, and could never see myself with another team. Because of the owner and the poor product he continued to put on the field I gave up the O’s but I gave up all baseball too. Don’t follow and don’t care anymore.
Daniel Snyder has the opportunity to do the same thing with the Redskins, continued 8-8 seasons or 9-7 or 6-10 will result in complete disatisfaction with product and writing off not only the Redskins but all football…I think it will take much longer for that to occur but it could occur under this owner…

by dr WNC on Oct 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I came here to post the same thing

Grew up a huge O’s fan. But by my early-20’s (mid 90’s), Angelos had almost completely ruined the franchise I rooted for my whole life.

So I slowly just lost interest in baseball.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a huge O’s fan growing up and had to stop when Angelos let Mussina go to the Yankees.

by liger99 on Oct 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is why

I’d probably just ignore the NFL is general. Honestly there are hundreds and thousands of things I can do with my time and spending hours watching the team be mediocre for yet another year will just leave me feeling like I should have done something productive with my time – you know, something that actually COULD make a difference in my life. The truth is that my life isn’t going to change based on how well the Redskins do – even if they win the Super Bowl.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen
My opinion that this team may be good this year or next has nothing to do with why Ill never change. I always hope we will be better, I always go into the season with a sense of what may be. But I root for the Burgundy and Gold without fail.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good fucking ridance to you then. Go jump on Favre’s dick.

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Its wide open since Peter King stopped sucking on it

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is my "Hogs Haven chuckle out loud" for the day

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

quality discourse.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Had season tickets in 2008. Were too expensive, and this franchise too bad, to keep them. Bought single-game tickets for ‘09, but unless we get a GM with a purpose, I don’t think I’ll be going to any games in 2010.

2. Not possible to change loyalty. What’s more likely to happen is that I follow the team from a distance, and don’t devote so much energy to them, especially every Sunday from Sept-Jan.

3. I will definitely participate in any potential fan uprisings/messages.

4. I’m definitely going to avoid FedEx, and avoid new Skins gear at all costs. If anything, I’ll buy resold stuff on Ebay so Snyder doesn’t get the money.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still on board

For the first 3, I am a big no (though I don’t get to go to every game, of course). For the fourth, I will be thirsty at times during the game, so I have no problem still purchasing stuff, either. No need for a hunger strike. I’m on board forever, really — this is like a marriage for me. For better or for worse, through hard times and good, etc. Can’t change… Can’t do it.

I will still complain periodically, but I remain on board as a true homer. Might as well admit the truth!

by bigredsnapper on Oct 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Thank you for your loyalty

Hopefully these hard times flush out the fickle, fair-weather phonies.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of the worst records over the last 17 years

if they haven’t left by now, they’re not fairweather

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recent polls

have shown the Redskins popularity has dropped to it’s lowest in a decade.

by VA_Skin on Oct 15, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if people are exasperated with one of the most inept owners in the NFL

that doesn’t make them fairweather.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter what the reason is

Refusing to support a team unless they are winning is the epitome of a fair weather fan.

by VA_Skin on Oct 15, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not why people are so disenchanted

it’s the losing, the same way, year after year, with an owner who just doesn’t get it.

Redskin nation is savvy, we could deal with a rebuilding period with lots of losing, like the Caps did.

What there isn’t endless patience for is Snyder’s complete ineptitude, clinging to the same failed/mediocre philosophy for going on a decade now.

A philosophy of being hands on and refusing to hire a qualified GM.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being disenchanted and exasperated

is one thing. We ALL feel that way right now. But when you start giving up on the team and decide to go into hiding until they are winning again (because Snyder hired a “qualified” GM or whatever), that makes you fair-weather.

You’re acting like our record says it all and that we haven’t even been in contention for the past decade. That’s absolutely false. How many games have we played that came down to one or two plays that just didn’t go our way? And those couple of losses maybe kept us out of the playoffs? (Just last season for instance).

Redskins nation is “savvy” enough to know that winning is cyclical and that bringing in an experienced, proven leader like Holmgren, Shanahan, Cowher, etc. should go a long way towards making us perennial contenders again.

by VA_Skin on Oct 16, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im wondering if conversations like this are going on in Buffalo,Cleveland,Kansas City Etc. They love there owners even though they dont spend any money on there teams to get the best available players etc. They havent won a game but im sure none of them are giving up football as a whole. It seems to me most of you guys can only say that your a fan of the Redskins only when they are winning.

The Rod has spoken

by Rodskin on Oct 13, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

thats a good point Rodney...

Redskins fans have never been “medium”…but then again, those teams are small market teams and they don’t have expectations of their team winning the Super Bowl. I think the people that want to bail ship are the ones that think this team can’t get better over the next 5-10 years….but I agree. Regardless, something needs to change. That will help everything out.

by KevinE on Oct 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've wondered...

how fans of the Browns and Raiders, etc. keep going. But, unfortunately, I’m finding out. I have high expectations of performance for the ’Skins and am a dire fan, which is why I tend to come down on them so hard. The expenses of going to games and the general impression that the owner is fiscally raping the Fandom only makes it worse.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

'most'? poor exaggeration

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 13, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never jumping ship

1) Yes, I get season tickets. I will continue to go every game I have an opportunity to do so.
2) Oh my goodness, never! The things I would love to say to people ready to trade burgundy and gold for purple and black. Suffice to say, respect long ago left the building for them…
3) I would contribute toward my team’s success in any positive manner. I will not wear a bag, nor will I boo my team. There is a formula for success that includes owner, coaching staff, players, and fans. We are just as bad as the nonperforming coaches and ill-prepared players when we boo.
4) Yes…kind of. If I’m with someone who wants to buy me a beer, I am certainly not going to offend by saying No, thanks. However, I am on board with the other guy that said Why not try sneaking in the beer? The worst that happens is you throw it out or chug it before walking in.

by RFKate28 on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

In general

1) “Co-own” ticks with friends; never give them up
2) Never change; no way, never…Bet some of you are surprised?
3) Something else; why deprive some fair lass a good look at my mug??
4) I did need a new hat and felt bad about it. Trying not to spend a dime inside the stadium.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What are you guys doing on NBC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And when?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5pm news they said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Gordon....

He asked me several questions and wanted to get a feel for how the fanbase is doing given the current state….he’s leveraging that w/ an interview with a ticket broker who said all tickets at fedex are now selling for 50% face value.

5pm news or 6pm news he said…possibly both.

by KevinE on Oct 13, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1.) I do not own season tickets and at this point, I would not consider buying them. This decision has as much to do with the gameday experience at the current location as it does with the state of the team’s play.

2.) No. I’ve also been an Orioles fan all my life.

3.) No.

4.) Not going out of my way. Although I usually go to at least one game each season, I have already passed on several offers to attend games this season. It’s unlikely that I’ll attend one.

by artmonk4ever on Oct 13, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Redskins are horrible..

1.) I have season tickets. In section 406. I may be handing them in after this season. Or selling them next year. It’s very expensive. Robert Henson knows.. my job at McDonalds isn’t too great of pay.

2.) I won’t change teams. But I like watching the Jets. My lady is from New Jersey and she forces me into watching them when she can. I think Sanchez is going to be a talented qb. Always been a Leon Washington fan. (Leon can’t do everythang) But he plays hard.. every week.

3.) Quite pessimistic here, I know.. but I really don’t think anything I personally do is going to change what management does to keep the ’skins horrible year after year.

4.) I quit spending money at the stadium 3 years ago. 8 dollar beers? Kiss my @ss Dan.

by williamhudsonlink on Oct 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, they are not like that Everywhere.

Maybe at other stadiums. And they can all kiss my @ss too. Just because all the stadiums are ridiculous doesn’t mean they are gonna get my money. I work too damn hard for it.

by williamhudsonlink on Oct 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bank of America Stadium had 4 dollar Miller High Life

The Rod has spoken

by Rodskin on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

If FedEx had that the BAC would be off the charts

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup i couldnt believe it.

The Rod has spoken

by Rodskin on Oct 13, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Dan doesn't try to sell $90 pizzas

am I right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that is correct...

I’ve been to a lot of arenas lately and the Skins are in the middle of the pack. I went to a Wizards game at Golden State 2 years ago and beers were $10 each there.

by KevinE on Oct 13, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I'm not as ancient as CJ or Grandpa Grouse

But has there ever been a time where buying beers/food inside the venue was anything but a sucker move?

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Many many moons ago...

My uncle was telling me that back in the 50’s or 60’s the stadium was general admission (sit where ever you want in the stands) and you were allowed to bring your own food and beer in too.

Imagine that !

by DCtoAustralia on Oct 13, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allegience

I am a season ticket holder, and I will continue to hold my season tickets as long as it’s financial viable for me to do so.

I’m a Redskin fan now and always will be. I love hanging with good friends at the stadium; drinking a few brews, eating good food, and sharing opinions on the state of the skins.

I will not purchase official skins merchandise, rather I spend my money on creative t-shirts created by loyal redskins fans.

I do not buy a single concession inside the stadium, and I will continue this as long as Dan Snyder is the owner of the team.

by Kurtstack on Oct 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm just a fan

1)Never owned season tickets but would snatch them up in a heartbeat if I was ever forced to move back from SF.

2)Never in a million years would I stop rooting for the Skins.

3)Never wear a paper bag or besmirch the skins but I have some thoughts on how to hurt Snyder I will fan post.

4) I have never spent money on concessions or gear. I always just get tanked beore the game and bring in a flask. Everyone should be buying their skins gear off Ebay and Thrift Stores anyways as the older stuff is way cooler and who would ever pay for that overpriced junk even if we were win Super Bowls every year.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I got to the bottom and forgot the questions, so I’ll improvise.

I’ll start with this – I am, have been, and always will be a fan of the Redskins. If you don’t feel the same way, then you should not be on here, simple as that. I hate what Dan Snyder has done to this team, and I hated what Norv Turner did to this team. But I will never abandon this team. If you think there’s something wrong with that, then I think there’s something wrong with you.

As for Snyder – I would do a backflip into the Potomac while wearing skid-marked tighty whities if he somehow went bankrupt and was forced to sell the team. I would prefer an ownership group led by Joe Gibbs, with investors Sonny J., Sam Huff, John Riggins, and Darrell Green.

Now that my break from reality is out of the way, let’s get real. -Snyder is not going anywhere. So the only thing we (WE = TRUE DIEHARD FANS) can hope for is that this mess of mediocrity he has toiled in for 10 years wears thin on him. Maybe while “stalking the locker room” with Vinny one day, he will turn to him and say “Hey, aren’t these YOU GUYS?” When Snyder realizes Cerrato is not the answer to any job that carries responsibility, he will smarten up and hire someone who is actually qualified. I am CONVINCED of this. What I am not convinced of his when this will occur. Could be next week, could be next decade. But, once it does happen, I think we will be VERY GOOD. Once someone gets in there and tells Danny WHEN AND HOW to spend his money WISELY, we will be a dynasty again. (Again, next week or next decade, who knows?)

Now, as for my tickets. I have had tickets since the stadium opened, switching to club level after 1 year. However, I started selling them to my uncle last year. There were a few reasons for this. One, the gameday experience had lost some of it’s excitement. Going to EVERY game kinda dumbed down my senses. I will readily admit that the losing had something to do with this as well. (Also, as I have mentioned on here before, I was pissed that the “wait service”, which is supposed to be part of the club level package, suffered a significant drop in quality/dependability.) Now, I still go to games, just a select few a year. But the main reason I stopped going is that, for LESS than what my tickets cost, I put a home theater with a 92" screen in my basement. 92 inches of high def splendor mixed with Bose surround sound (not to mention MY OWN BEER 10 steps away) kind of trumped going to the game for me.

by CJHutch on Oct 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

92 INCHES?!?!

That’s impressive. Hell, Jerry Jones would be impressed with that. I thought my 65" flat screen was something. I’m kind of in the same boat as far as attending games. Except I go to all of the home games and watch the road games in my home theater room.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why the hell don’t you guys charge admission to watch the behemoths?

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because

I just don’t like people.

by CJHutch on Oct 13, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn it CJ

I love that your complaint is the wait staff. That may be the funniest thing written today.

by monk81 on Oct 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And the doilies...

don’t forget the doilies. They suck for the prices you are paying. LOL

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 13, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I don’t know what I’d do if I got offered the tickets. My name is on the list. I’ll struggle with that one if/when the opportunity ever comes up.

Change fan allegiance? No way. My opinion is that it is the worst thing you can do as a sports fan. The only time it is acceptable in my opinion to change teams is if your team moves away.

I have bought Redskins gear shamefully. No I am not an idiot with a Jason Taylor jersey or anything but I have purchased 2 jerseys during Snyder’s ownership, a Portis and a Horton. The other stuff predates Snyder so I don’t think its fair to count that.

I refuse to buy anything inside FedEx. I bring my own beer, get loaded in the parking lot, then sober up (and piss a million times) during the game. The only thing I’m willing to leave in that building is my own urine.

My big hope is that Snyder will eventually either get frustrated and sell the team to Gibbs/someone competent for a dollar. My second hope is that Snyder will do what Angelos has finally started doing with the Orioles. I feel that there are no 2 better owners to compare in all of major league sports than these guys. If Angelos can finally realize that his screwing around is what ran a once awesome team into the ground and hire a good GM and allow him to work then I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility for Snyder to do the same. However time will only tell.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 13, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

I forgot about the interview question. My answer there is a resounding NO. I have no interest in seeing Snyder do an interview because I’ve seen his interviews. They are bland, repetitive, and disgustingly contrived. It would be nothing more than Larry Michael asking him about how many trees he’s planted (91,704?), how many charities he supports (the Foundation for Floundering Franchises, the “Donate to a Winless Team” Organization), and finally, all the (UGH) good he’s done for this city. He ill never give a truthful interview to a legitimate reporter who asks honest, upfront, revealing questions that we actually want to know the answers to.

Now, someone mentioned an open forum. I would be all for that, provided the audience questions aren’t from Red Zebra plants. And if I could ask him one question, it would simply be this – “Dan, can you tell me what’s more important to you – building a successful franchise or stroking your ego?” And before he answers I would say “Here’s the rub. You CAN have both. You can easily stroke your ego by being the owner of a successful franchise. The image of Bob Kraft hoisting the Lombardi trophy time and again is a lot more lasting, and a HELL OF A LOT MORE indicative of a great owner than the image of you standing on a podium every year announcing the new coach or the new free agent you’ve signed to generate OFFSEASON buzz.”

by CJHutch on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Red Zebra plants

Do you remember those zumba pants? Yeah i got a pair.

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been called to buy season tickets, I refused.

by snowburnt on Oct 13, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in my opinion

1.) Do you own season tickets, and if so, would you ever hand them in? (For those that don’t have tickets, would you ever buy them if your name came on the list for decent view uppers or corner lowers)? – No, no I would not because it would not make an impact on ownership, they still make enough money selling the seats to Congressmen and businessmen who don’t know anything about football but will open their wallets for season passes, and are too busy suing grandmas for remittances.

2.) Would you ever team change loyalty given Snyder is not likely to change his ways of controlling the front office and Cerrato seems to have job security? – I would strongly consider changing team loyalty if
A) Snyder does not act like he has any accountability for the absolute clusterfuc* he fields time & time again with the same tired policies of not delegating any football decisions to subordinate authorities + his control-freak mindset, and
B) Cerrato retains his job security

3.) If the Skins continue at this rate, do you foresee yourself participating in anything to send a message to the front office, whether it be paper bags or something else? – I absolutely would if I still lived near DC.

4.) Are you going out of your way to not spend money on official Redskins gear or concessions sold at Fedex? – I absolutely am and have since Snyder petulantly fired Gregg Williams and hired this absolute moron Zorn to head this team.

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 13, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and in response to the interview question, my answer's a resounding yes

It’s the only plausible way I can imagine Snyder having to face any accountability. While it’s annoying to watch Jerry Jones on the air so much, what more feasible alternatives are there to making Snyder face some public accountability from Redskins fans. I especially like the idea of call-ins — in Toronto, this sort of thing happened on The Fan590 with J.P. Ricciardi, and worked quite well at compelling direct, unmediated accountability to public critics.

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pas

I hate you for making me have to look at jerry dig for gold every time i check the new comments.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1.) Do you own season tickets, and if so, would you ever hand them in? (For those that don’t have tickets, would you ever buy them if your name came on the list for decent view uppers or corner lowers)?

Yes, I do own season tickets and, yes, I would consider handing them in… but only if I could upgrade to an even better seat!! ha But on a serious note: To any and all STHers who may be in the lower level, maybe even along the 50-yard line, please please hand them in!!

2.) Would you ever change team loyalty given Snyder is not likely to change his ways of controlling the front office and Cerrato seems to have job security?
NEVER. EVER. PERIOD. I don’t care if Snyder and Cerrato are running the show for 1000 more seasons. I will be supporting my beloved Washington Redskins through the wins and losses, because that is what a loyal fan is supposed to do.

3.) If the Skins continue at this rate, do you foresee yourself participating in anything to send a message to the front office, whether it be paper bags or something else?

No. That is a complete waste of time. No matter what the intention of booing and wearing a bag over your face may be, that behavior disrespects and demoralizes the PLAYERS, who are sacrificing themselves (literally) to win us football games. Snyder already realizes how bad the situation is and he will make the adjustments necessary to get us back on track. Remember, winning and being competitive will increase his bottom line exponentially. BE PATIENT.

4.) Are you going out of your way to not spend money on official Redskins gear or concessions sold at Fedex?
Of course not. That’s ridiculous. If I see some Redskins shoes or hat or jersey, and I like it, I’m buying it. And if I’m still thirsty at the game (or my buzz is wearing off), I won’t hesitate one millisecond to buy those $8 beers. And if I see a fellow HH blogger there, I’ve been known to buy him one, too. I ain’t going broke and billionaire Snyder sure as hell ain’t going broke just because a few hundred people boycott concessions. It’s comical to even think that. Dan Snyder is here for the long haul. Get over it already. And yes, it could be worse.

by VA_Skin on Oct 13, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you're right, it could be worse

We could have Al Davis…

Jesus F-ing christ….We really dont have it all that bad.

by ACo on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care how many SBs that crypt-keeper won

50 years ago. He has literally lost his mind. That team is way worse off than us. Their HC may be going to jail. Davis’ handpicked #1 draft pick, JaMarcus Russell, has a bionic arm, but he can’t hit the broad side of a barn. DHB is MIA in every game’s box score this year (even though Davis distorted the whole draft to get him early). McFadden can’t play more than 4 games without an injury. Davis is the GM and let’s not forget that he “occasionally” does something even Snyder wouldn’t think of: calls plays down to the field on the phone. That’s right. Warren Sapp spilled the beans about that after he left.

Sapp even said that Davis would call in plays when Sapp was playing for the Raiders.

"I remember the first two weeks I was there, we played a preseason game. Somebody came up one time and said, ‘We’re going deep right here, dog.’ I said, how do you know? He said, ‘The phone just rang.’

"All the preparation that goes into a week of work is there, the practicing that you have to put in order to do these things, sometimes [Al Davis] messed with that part of it and that’s what kills you," Sapp said on "Inside the NFL."

Haha. Now THAT’s a meddlesome owner!!

http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/10/03/sapp-blasts-al-davis-organization/

by VA_Skin on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, the only consolation is that we don’t have THE most inept owner in the league, just one of, say, the bottom 5 or so.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t agree with you more.

by travisjh86 on Oct 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Skins bandwagon right now is "call Dan Snyder a Moron and hope he sells the team".

Well, the first is not true and the second will not happen in our lifetime. Calling a self-made billionaire a MORON is in itself moronic. He ain’t dumb people, he just needs to let go of his EGO. Will that ever happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

OK…just kidding….he is a MORON for suing his team’s own fanbase in the middle of a recession.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Oct 14, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its sad someone took the time to make this

by pas493 on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is?

f-ck that guy.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(1) I do own season tickets. I was on the waiting list for 15 years, then upgraded to the club seats a few years ago. I’ll finish my ten year contract, but won’t renew. I put my name back on the season ticket list when I got the club seats, figuring that would give me an option when the contract expired. They called me a couple of years ago saying my name had come up, which shows how bogus the “waiting list” is.

(2) Nope. It’s a head vs. heart thing. I know the team sucks and is poorly run, but I also know that all it would take is a whiff of success and I’d be good for another dozen years.

(3) Possibly, depending on the method. Booing and paper bags are not my thing – I won’t undermine the team on the field.

(4) I do plan so that I won’t need to buy stuff at the stadium, but if things go wrong and I don’t get a chance to eat before I get to the stadium I won’t hunger strike either.

by d_c_guy on Oct 14, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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