Compensatory Draft Pick Debate...uhhh...Rages

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 15, 2009 12:23 AM EST Comment 8 comments

When I think of some of the most ridiculously stupid arguments I have ever been in, and I have a lot to choose from, arguing over what compensatory draft picks the Redskins should get sits high on the list. Be careful, I know what you're thinking: "What's the debate? Where's the mystery? It's a straight formula based on things you know."

Not so fast.

It's a 'proprietary' formula. Meaning you don't get to know it. And that is how they like it. The picks are awarded based on the net change of a team's free agent haul, and we know variables include player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team--salary being the main factor. It is entirely possible that a handful of picks are used in swanky backroom poker games to determine where they land. After that of course, picks cannot be traded. Sure, there are some obvious ones. But there are some real head-scratchers.

Still, it is just impossible not to venture a guess as to what the NFL will award the Redskins at the league meetings next month. What is it going to be? The sooner we have a consensus, the sooner we can figure out what kicker we will be drafting. Don't act like you don't have it all figured out. Closest to the pin on this one wins this shirt:

P.S. If you think Vinny isn't capable of drafting a kicker again this year, you should be wearing a helmet at all times.

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Guess = no pick awarded

Presumably, the pick the Redskins received (96th overall, #33 in the 3rd round) in last year’s draft was a compensatory pick for the death of Sean Taylor (either that, or it was compensatory for the loss of Mark Brunell and David Patten?). The list of players who were on the Redskins’ roster in 2007 and played elsewhere in 2008 is a short one:
Vernon Fox (Denver)
Derrick Frost (Green Bay)
Brandon Lloyd (Chicago)
Pierson Prioleau (Jacksonville)

My guess is that the Redskins do not receive a compensatory draft pick in the 2009 draft.

by artmonk4ever on Jan 15, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Salary and time:

Redskins did not recieve a compensatory pick for Sean Taylor last year, 96th was for Derrick Dockery (sp?)
Under the current system no pick would be compensated for Sean Taylor.
Free agents added to the Roster also effect how many they get, specifically Taylor with his 8m salary will off-set at least one comp. pick.
Fox: 605K: No pick
Derrick Frost’s two-year, $1.305 million : 1 pick
Lloyd: 655K: 1 pick
Pierson Prioleau: no pick
Could be awarded 2 picks but will be awarded 1 pick.
Clear as mud….Guess-1 pick for Lloyd

by dr WNC on Jan 15, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Questions:

1. Lloyd’s contract was terminated. Does that make the Skins ineligible to receive a compensatory for him? Same too for Frosty.

2. Likewise, Taylor wasn’t a free agent, he was acquired in a trade. Does that alter his impact on the Skins’ compensatory picks?

3. If Lloyd’s contract does count despite him being cut, and Taylor’s despite the fact that he was a trade, wouldn’t we get something for Mr. Torrence? For Todd Wade?

4. Brunell also left and got a contract, probably larger than either Frosty’s or Lloyd’s. He didn’t really play in regular season, but if its mainly contract based, he may generate some love for the Skins.

TTB!

by Ach on Jan 15, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My guess is

it doesn’t even matter. Regardless of whether or not we get a compensatory pick, the outcome will be the same. If we get a pick, he’ll be a bust. If we don’t get a pick, at least we don’t have to pay anyone.

rockin' the crab dribble since 2009

by hibachi on Jan 15, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not so fast

Mr. Grumpy.

With the third to last pick in the 08 draft, awarded to the Skins for the tragic loss of Kenny Wright, the Skins picked one Chris Horton, which was arguably the best value in the entire draft (save possibly for Brennan. As an aside, I’m from Hawaii and am very biased in that one arena, probably to a fault. If it doesn’t make sense to you, watch his preseason play without getting too involved in the “second and third strings” train of thought, and extrapolate his numbers through the course of 60 minutes of football. Astronomical.). Back to reality, while 1/10 isn’t too hot, Horton clearly is not, nor will he be, a bust.

Neither am I ready to throw Thomas/Kelly/Davis under the bus. They are bigger dudes. Every star rookie receiver from the 08 draft was under 6’ 200lbs. The smaller cats have an easier time their rookie year. If the trio fails to pay out next year, then I’ll begin talking stink about the picks. Until then patience is required, especially for the bigger receivers.

TTB!

by Ach on Jan 15, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Please.

Everyone knows the 7th round is basically a crapshoot. We got lucky and I couldn’t be happier about it. I’m not throwing Thomas/Kelly/Davis under the bus either but no one can deny that all three were an absolute disappointment this year.

rockin' the crab dribble since 2009

by hibachi on Jan 15, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed!

TTB!

by Ach on Jan 15, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, so all three were a disapointment

Let’s look at the 2 recievers, and forget the TE and maybe we can stop being talking heads and think…
2008 Draft had 10 recievers selected in the 2nd round.
The top 4 performing rookie recievers: Donnie Avery, Jordy Nelson, Eddie Royal, and DeSean Jackson
Comparison Head to Head
Only Jordy Nelson would have been acceptable to the “Talking heads” because of size. Washington even admitted they were only looking at a big reciever.
Head to Head Comparison between Redskins 2 WR, Jordy Nelson and Jerome Simpson(selected between Thomas and Kelly)
The GREAT Malcolm Kelly performed better than him, but he played on Cinnci, he was “cherry” picked to prove a point.
Well….Let’s compare the remaining WR with Devin Thomas
James Hardy, Limas Sweed, Dexter Jackson
Head to Head Comparison
It appears of the 10 WR selected in the second round, only 4 performed better than Devin Thomas and 6 better than Kelly. So along with Washington having an absolute disappointed so has Denver, Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay. Maybe 2nd round recievers are not expected to have such an impact as everyone expects the first year….Let’s wait to cast judgment and use real Facts.

by dr WNC on Jan 16, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs