We lost, I'm angry, etc.
by Skin Patrol on Sep 4, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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These are my brief, uncollected thoughts having been drinking for most of the game and existing in a bitterly disappointed state, currently. I think these things are best analyzed with the benefit of a night's rest but, whatev.
- Whoever was the Giants defender who was injured on the last play of the game, I hope he's ok. The result was obviously decided by the time whomever that was started favoring their injured parts and the last thing I want to see, even against a division foe I hate to lose to, is someone get injured on a meaningless play. Chris Samuels looked sufficiently contrite.
- Jason Campbell didn't play so hot. I felt he held on to the ball too long or else made the wrong decisions. The only time he, and the team, were able to move the ball was consistently was in desperation time when the opposing defense was giving up space.
- I don't think the offensive line was horrible but they were definitely below average. JC was rushed a few times and the penalties are a problem.
- Defense exhibited what felt like a bend but only enough to break after wasting a bunch of clock time. The few times I remember us pressuring Eli Manning he did something horrible, which raised the obvious question; why weren't we pressuring more? I recall Doughty getting a hand on Manning during a safety blitz and him completing a long pass but, beyond that, I can't recall Manning doing anything right when we pressured him. Our interception came on a pressure play. This is not rocket science, if you scare the opposing quarterback, he'll screw something up.
- Speaking of turnovers... we won that battle and lost by 9 points. Sad fact is we're not going to escape a dramatic majority of games with the turnover lead and we certainly won't have 0 turnovers for even a simple majority of our fights. If you can't keep it close when you win that crucial +/- turnover scuffle, you aren't playoff bound.
- Defining moment of the game was Jacobs plowing over LaRon Landry. That's one of our best against one of their best and they won.
- Good news! I forgot how many weeks (months?) it took us to score a touchdown with a wide receiver last year and we did it in week one this time around. Drinking to not having to listen to ESPN repeat that gruesome statistic every day.
- We lost 16-9 against the Super Bowl Champions in their house filled with nearly 90 thousand motivated partisans. Is that really so horrible? I don't know that it's any worse than losing to the Giants 24-17 in our own house, which is what we did early last season and still managed to make a success out of the entire affair.
- Looking back on the score, as pissed as I was at the defense for much of the game (50% third down defense won't cut it, period) we can win if the other bastard only scores 16 points. Eli was held to 6.1 yards per pass, meh, with a pick and no touchdowns. Their 4.8 yards per rush was troubling but not terrifying.
- Terrifying was our useless offense. 3.5 yards per carry sucks. Clinton Portis looked ok but not good (sometimes he did look great, though). We didn't reach the line of scrimmage on 4 rushing plays or, put differently, 1/6th of the time.
- Rock Cartwright is awesome.
Good way to end it. Let me sleep with nightmares on this one and leave it at that, before I get sore on Jim Zorn's clock management or Jason Campbell's future. Way too early to indict either of them.
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I'm disgruntled about the playcalling
either Campbell really sucks and Zorn knows it or he was just playing to cover the spread.
At times, I felt we were running plays like this was the 4th quarter in preseason.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Landry
Landry shouldn’t pretend to be Sean Taylor. He isn’t; nobody is. I remember we went through this for an entire season a few years ago, when Taylor had to be a linebacker at safety, he would go for the big hit every time, but still manage to bring him down. The only time I ever remember seeing him demolished like that was a youtube video vs. Greg Jones in college.
by BlackOps on Sep 5, 2008 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Laron is just tired
from having to sprint 30 yards on every play? :D
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So help me, if someone says 'Well Gibbs started 0-5' I'm going to scream
Gibbs was handed a 6-10 team the year before. Zorn was handed a playoff team that was missing it’s starting QB for half of said season. If he loses ground in the final record, he’s failed for the season. He may not have been given the greatest team in the league but he was given a playoff caliber team that should be better with a healthy QB, a healthy #1 receiver and a new toy at DE.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2008 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another long season?
This looks like… yet another long season. We, as dedicated Redskins fans should not be suprised. Just another waste of our time and money to endure yet another long season. Redskins fans should be medicated for this constant roller coaster ride we all line up to and choose to ride every year. So, this year, I’m going to grasp the obvious. The Redskins will never win another Super Bowl with Snyder as owner….NEVER! Let me take you back when he tried to “buy” a Super Bowl ring. That proved to be….another roller coaster! Of, course, Gibbs came to our rescue (I’m sure only out of complete distain) and in his wonderful wisdom rebuilt the team. He left us with a solid foundation. Two playoff births in four years!? Alot better than the prior SIXTEEN years (of course not counting the one year when our QB headbutted the wall injuring himself). Gibbs retired leaving the foundation in place. So, rather than making the obvious choice (Gregg Williams) for coach, we hire….Zorn? Only after most coaches in the league wouldn’t dare work for Snyder. Who, of course, already had the new Coaches’ Coordinator’s picked for them.
With that being said, WOW, what an incredible west coast offense, Zorn. Reminds me of the Steve Spurrier’s “chuck and duck” offense. For the players…you can’t help but feel sorry for them. They are forced to ride this roller coaster ride. Let’s ask JC how many offenses’ he had to learn. Better yet, let’s go to Denver and ask Patrick Ramsey what he thinks of the roller coaster ride. Well, I guess I’ll just faten my seatbelt and welcome yet another year.
by lonstac on Sep 5, 2008 4:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!
Chill out man, it’s one game.
by pmpott on Sep 5, 2008 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One road game.
Against the team that won the Super Bowl.
I agree that it’s too early to throw the season away. The offense was bad enough to worry me, long term, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed.
by Skin Patrol on Sep 5, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give up on Zorn quite yet....
Remember, it’s the first game of his head coaching career played in a very hostile environment. His head must have been swimming. I think when he reviews the film he will kick himself for the play calls and poor clock management near the end of the game, but don’t forget that your team didn’t crumble from the early onslaught, and your defense played well in the red zone.
Landry will surely be hitting the advil hard today, though. That was one of the hardest offensive hits I’ve ever seen.
by giant fan since 57 on Sep 5, 2008 6:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Campbell
how long will it take for the Redskins to see that the QB position is holding them back. He plays with no confidence and the resultant mistakes have killed us week after week. Zorn is a Brennan fan so let’s get on with it. Build him up from the ground up. Jason’s has lost the Breath Mint endorsement deal, a stupid but prophetic commercial.
by toomanydogs on Sep 5, 2008 6:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't actually get to see the game
but followed along with stats and Gamecast.
Am I right that a bright note was Brooks. He put up a decent average on 7 punts. I noticed them inside their 20 a couple of times in the 2nd half.
Of course, we shouldn’t be punting that much, but still.
by matthiasstephan on Sep 5, 2008 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brooks
Punts were not super long but the hang time provided for excellent coverage and or fair catches. Very good
by dr WNC on Sep 5, 2008 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
about our net, which wasn’t good, but I was most impressed with that Brooks punt where he got leveled on a roughing the kicker. He jacked it very far in spite of the fact that he was inevitably about to get pummeled, did get pummeled.
by Skin Patrol on Sep 5, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense looked real bad for the majority of the first half. We can’t keep starting drives with penalties. JC is still holding on to the ball way too long, second guessing himself. I didn’t think Betts had a particularly good game. Santana is really pissing me off with the drops and giving up on the routes. I hope Kelly gets back soon because Thrash is NOT the answer. The 3rd and short situations were not handled well.
I though Heyer actually played fairly well but the penalties were killer (Tuck’s sack was 100% JC’s fault). Portis played well with what he was given. On a couple of those runs, it was amazing that he pulled out 4 or 5 yards after being gobbled up in the backfield. JT had some nice plays too but it worries me that they pounded the rock to his side all night. Good to see Devin Thomas get a catch…would have been nicer if he actually got the first down.
by pmpott on Sep 5, 2008 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zorn
Zorn’s playcalling was horrendous. We were trying to come back and he is still running inside counters with Clinton? makes no sense. We all know Jason Campbell has a rocket so why not let him heave it down the field more, rather than these short dump-offs that get us within 2 yards of the first down line… on third down. Santana and Thrash dropped some balls that they should have caught and Jason Taylor looks like he either isn’t trying or that he is the weakest man alive. He was getting pushed around. Terrible first game.
by gmgriffi489 on Sep 5, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How do you get 3-2 or 2-3 through the first 5 games
without losing, almost everyone stated that a 2-3 or 3-2 would be a great stretch over the first 5 games. Yeah it would be nice to have the Redskins look better, and I am building deep questions about Jason’s ability at this level, and I was surprised at the conservative play calling. It’s a new offense with new coaches, and the owner and VP are not causing the issues….Relax and get off of the dream of a super season. We all saw the issues several weeks ago when the Redskins fell flat at carolina, the team is building but not ready.
by dr WNC on Sep 5, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Portis’ chip block where he leveled Kiwanuka was a thing of beauty. It was kinda silly of him to taunt the guy when the play was still going on… but that doesn’t change the fact that he flattened a guy much bigger than him.
And yeah… the playcalling was atrocious. Especially at the end there… I was yelling at the TV.
As for Campbell… he didn’t look great. Looked confused and indecisive. Although what else can be expected when he’s being forced to learn yet another new offense? Especially one as complicated as the WCO.
by JasonB on Sep 5, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JC
Learning a new offense can’t be easy. That being said, all of the excuses for JC are starting to run thin. The guy is a professional football player. As the comment below points out, a lot of JC’s mistakes aren’t necessarily system related. They are more indicative of someone who is not cut out to be a starting NFL QB. We see QB’s jump teams all the time and learn new systems on the fly. Look at what Drew Brees did in his first year with the Saints. Favre has looked pretty comfortable as a Jet so far. Hell, even Colt has jumped right in the system and competed (albeit against 3rd stringers). I’m not ready to jump off the JC bandwagon yet but I will be if this continues into the next month or so.
by pmpott on Sep 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Talk
If anyone watched Comcast Post Game Live, and heard what Brian Mitchell said, I have to say that he hit on EXACTLY what I was thinking the entire game. I can’t jump on that bandwagon that willing to accept Jason Campbell’s poor performances and blame it on the learning a new system excuse. His decision making and pocket awareness is poor. Last nite, he rolled out of the pocket – right into Justin Tuck. In the secondary, can someone please tell Greg Blatche to get the db’s out there with the receivers and work on their catching abilities. I love me some Fred Smoot, but dammit, he can’t catch a cold. But that’s a trend that I’ve seen from most of our db’s so far – going back to the HOF game.
Yes its early. But I’m going to be very critical of the team because no one on the team seems to take that mentality. I’d love for London Fletcher, who played outstanding ball last nite, to stand up and get in the face of someone like Griff or Andre Carter. Not to fight them, but to get them fired up. We aren’t playing with emotion.
by Alvin Walton's Neckroll on Sep 5, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We aren’t playing with emotion
Agree, other than a few the emotions are not where they need to be to win, as well as missing the opportunities that are presented each and every game. Rock’s return, Smoot missed interception, Rodgers missed interception…etc The game was available to be taken from the Giants even with a poor overall performance if just a couple of opportunities were captilized on…lackless emotion.
by dr WNC on Sep 5, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tired of the stale argument
that JC has to learn a new offense every season. That makes no nevermind when he has open receivers first read and decides it would be better to throw into coverage, the dude is Bambi in the headlights., he just doesn’t have it, it takes elan and a gunners mentality to be successful and he doesn’t have it.
by toomanydogs on Sep 6, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if
JC “just doesn’t have it” but I do agree that the new coordinator excuse has to end somewhere. Even for those who think JC deserves more latitude than this season (I think this is his defining season, good or bad) they’d have to admit that at least somewhere in the future, if JC can’t do it with new coordinators, than we need to find someone who can. 11 years of failure, for example, cannot be excused because of 11 different coordinators.
by Skin Patrol on Sep 6, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its Seems Like.....
here we go again another slow start to another season why cant JC and co. get on the ball even the sorry teams offenses from week 1 look better than ours (Except St. Louis) we need to step up i was tired of this weeks performance in the 3rd quarter it was like watching the same redskins we have had in the past. (before Gibbs arrived for 2nd stint)
by DaBizKid on Sep 8, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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