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[Note by Ben, 07/16/08 2:13 PM EDT] Promoted from Fanposts, this story won't die and mmford10, all the commenters and I will not let it until Brett is signed with another team.

I've seen some measures of support for Brett Favre on this Web site, and definitely agree with some of the points.

Unfortunately, my opinion hasn't changed that Brett Favre should not ever be a Redskin. Unfortunately for you guys, I'm going to write about that now.

Here's the first thing I have to get off my chest. Jason Campbell is not Patrick Ramsey. Comparing Campbell to a bonafide first round bust -- a guy who never made the playoffs and was drafted by Steve Freaking Spurrier -- is unfair. Campbell has demonstrated poise, mobility, and a good arm. Yes, he fumbled a lot (13 times? God damn!). Yes, he was the anti-clutch last season in Dallas and Tampa. But he's who we're leaning on, and by God, we have to keep trying. If he misses out this year -- after 5 years in the league -- then we should probably seek an alternative via high draft pick. But Campbell still hasn't played a full NFL season, and now will have the best receiving corps he'll ever see with the returning guys and the rookie beasts.

Also, are we really willing to give up a first-round pick -- and pay something like $12 million in salary -- for Brett Favre for one (or maybe, maybeeee 2) season(s)? And disrupt the chemistry of Campbell and WR's/TE's/RB's? How about this -- if Campbell sucks it up this year, then use that first round pick next year to draft another quarterback! This doesn't make sense! This isn't fantasy football!

You realize, right, that if we use Brett Favre for a season we then, ultimately, turn back to Campbell (or, even worse, a new quarterback) after one season. What's the point? We're not going to be that much better in one season with Favre -- especially this late in the preseason process -- that halting Campbell's development for a season will pay off. Say we get Favre -- let's be real, 'Skins fans. We're not a QB away from the Super Bowl. Especially not a one-year lease that is pushing 40 and comes with more offseason distractions than any non-WR or convicted felon in the NFL.

We drafted Jason Campbell. We have seen his potential. We're stuck with him. He's all of 26 years old. Let's ride this one out, and let old man Favre excite the fans in Baltimore or Minnesota for a season -- or flop all over the place without good WR's and ridiculously high expectations.

 

 

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The case revisited

A first round pick is too much to give up, we agree there.

This team may not be better than it was last season, I am not sure anything can prevent that. New coach, new system, not just a new coach, a never been a coach coach.

Will Jim Zorn be the next Jon Gruden, coming right in and making a difference right away? Or will he be the next Richie Petitbon, not assertive enough to stop the team from drifting in bad directions and letting his signature influence, in Richie’s case defense, lapse? Or the next Steve Spurrier, spending all his time on the offense and neglecting the defense to the point where the squad feels alienated?

Brett can come in and be more successful with a broader installation of the offense.

And the guy has been doing this for 17 years, he’s in good shape and can get up to speed all he needs in camp. He’s not some rookie looking at two a days and a 700 page playbook to memorize just to make the cut.

Old QB, young coach, their backgrounds meet at Mike Holmgren, they can help each other be successful.

=====Curly R: The Redskins Blog=====

by thatguyben on Jul 16, 2008 2:30 PM EDT   0 recs

potential

mmford10…You say “we have seen his potential.” Have we? Please cite examples…Because I’d like to be swayed over to the pro JC experiment, but haven’t seen the potential, and can’t remember any examples of the “great arm” either.

I admit colt isn’t the answer, and Brett wouldn’t help us in the long run, but Jason hasn’t shown statistically or based on his own record that he is an NFL caliber quarterback, that the Redskins can rely on. Our team is growing too old to fast to “wait another year” and find out if he can or can’t…based on early projections…he can’t. Plain and simple.

by richmondredskins on Jul 16, 2008 5:31 PM EDT   0 recs

How about the Lions game last season?

If he played like that consistently we’d all be singing a different tune. On the other hand it was against the Lions. But if you’re looking for examples of his potential, look no farther than october of last year.

by Ach on Jul 16, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to agree with mmford,

and have said so previously. Jason has this next year to prove that he can hack it, and if he flubs, he’s out and the redskins are on the qb hunt once again.

Another way to analyze this one is to figure that JC has at least as much if not more potential than Rogers at this point in their careers (if for no other reason than Rogers is less proven). If GB wants to go with the unproven Rogers over Farve, would it make sense for the skins to go for Farve over JC? Not in my opinion. Especially for a high price tag (I consider a 3rd “high” for this deal, at least when compounded by the other costs).

Additionally, I seem to remember all sorts of commotion at the beginning of last year saying that Farve was washed up, that he was holding the team hostage by not retiring etc… Farve was outstanding last year, but that doesn’t mean that he will be again this coming year in a new uniform under a new offense with new players etc etc…. Farve’s a great qb and a great man, but his production goes through peaks and troughs. If he wants his last two years to be good ones, his best bet is to remain in GB.

As a note: Because Farve’s salary will count if he comes out of retirement, GB pretty much will have to play him (unless they want 12M of their cap going to a second string qb).

NFL.com article here:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8094bd7a&template=with-video&confirm=true

More specifically:

If the Packers agree to trade Favre to any team, the quarterback can veto the deal simply by declining to report. Then Favre’s rights would revert back to Green Bay, which would be forced to take him back along with his $12 million base salary—or release him.

Bottom Line:

Basically, if Favre unretires he gets to play where he wants.

Farve should stay in GB.

by Ach on Jul 16, 2008 6:44 PM EDT   0 recs

would we even be able to

afford favre this year? he would count against this year for us right? And we don’t have much cap room right? I’m not good with the salary cap and what not but i didn’t think we had $12 mill of room, and trading a draft pick doesnt solve that problem. Also, you know the “genius” front office will give up way too much in a trade, like they almost did for 85, so it wouldn’t be worth it in the end.

by DC Pain on Jul 18, 2008 11:13 AM EDT   0 recs

At work, so not a lot of time to respond

I wanted to do so anyway before I forgot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7201

That’s Campbell’s ESPN page. Philly, Dallas, Tampa, etc were all good games. It took him a while to get going, but he had a decent season. He had a few bad INT’s and fumbles, but those numbers are enough to show potential. His first game, remember, he threw two touchdowns! Look at his numbers from 2006. He closed that season admirably—including great games at New Orleans and NYG.

Exhibit A?

by mmford10 on Jul 18, 2008 1:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Don't forget...

Everyone needs to keep in mind that Campbell played behind an offensive line that had lost two starters. Besides that, he showed several flashes of brilliance and while he made several mistakes it was often the result of him trying to force things (see dallas game). Mistakes like those can hopefully be decreased with more experience.

by hibachi on Jul 20, 2008 10:21 PM EDT   0 recs

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