Cincy says no to 'Skins Trade Offer

by CptChaosSidekick on Apr 22, 2008 11:40 AM EDT

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?



Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.
The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.

The fact that this even went down really pisses me off. I continue to be amazed at how little the Redskins value the draft. Chad Johnson is an amazing talent but to keep fleecing our picks away is fucking annoying. I'll be very interested to see what the Redaskin Insider has to say about this. I understand the rational, that he's a proven talent so no risk per say in the trade. Maybe Chad just wants to win, if you get him some good teammates and give him the POSSIBILITY of winning, he'll shut up and play nice.

My initial reaction though is I’m not happy about this & continue to believe in building with the draft. Is anyone else against us trading? Or should we welcome it because there's no talent in this year’s first round? I still have the horrific taste of the many mega free agent busts in my mouth.

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My opinion put more clearly

The Skins need to build through the draft, ride out these big salaries, build quality depth and lower their overall salary cap number. Basically the Skins need to get fiscally responsible so they can give Zorn a clean slate.

I love Chad Johnson and I think he is an excellent WR who is dedicated to the game despite his antics but the Skins do not need another massive salary at this point.

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Giving up a the 21st pick this year and a 3rd rounder next year is not stupid. If the 3rd round pick becomes a 1st, than it probably means the team and CJ had great years, which would result in another low 1st rounder, still worth it to me.

Basically my left & right brain are arguing with eachother and I can’t come to a happy medium.

by CptChaosSidekick on Apr 22, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Well..

As a Cowboy fan I too am torn. I mean I would love for the redskins to trade away a first round pick this year and possibly a first next BUT with the way our secondary is I would hate to go against Ocho Cinco twice a year.

Its my Money, And I want it NOW!

by thebigham on Apr 22, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Or, are we not clearly thinking

To me this is a good offer, looking at the raw data.

The number 21 pick this year, a year where everyone has talked about possibly using this pick on a WR. OK, so give it to Cinci and the Redskins still have what 8 picks in the Draft this year where the Goal of the redskins is to build depth as ALL 22 STARTERS are RETURNING.

Add a third round pick in 2009, which can move to a first if performance metrics are met…duh?

All around this is a great deal, and a great reasonable offer…Now, Can the Redskins show restraint with Cinci turning it away to not up the ante, if this was considered “the best offer”

by dr WNC on Apr 22, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Need to consider cost as well

as you aren’t just getting Chad Johnson, but whatever contract Chad Johnson wants. Remember that the team already has a huge amount of money sunk in its wide receivers, as Santana Moss and ARE both have very lucrative contracts. There is a finite amount of money to spend, and I question generally the idea of spending that much at WR. Throw in the consideration that we’d lose two 1st round draft picks, and I can’t get on board behind this trade.

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by Skin Patrol on Apr 22, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I don't know about two 1st round picks,

but I have absolutely NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with the ‘Skins trading away one 1st round pick for Chad Johnson. One of our areas of concern is wideout, but WRs are NOTORIOUSLY hard to draft successfully.

Any other position, and I wouldn’t be so amenable.

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

I'd certainly

be more amenable to the idea if it were solely a first round draft pick. Unfortunately, as the Bengals have made clear by rejecting the offer (if they in fact did so) then we will not be capable of getting Johnson for merely a 1st round draft pick.

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by Skin Patrol on Apr 22, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I tried to make that point

but my lack of typing/formatting skills ruined that. Overall I agree with your standpoint on this issue, but he’s 30 and how will signing him effect our cap?

It looks like his addition could make our offence explode, but past signings for the most part have failed.

by CptChaosSidekick on Apr 22, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Chad Johnson

Look at the needs on this team, especially along both lines (age and injuries). Look at the cornerback and safety situation (age and injuries). Look at the depth in this draft of wide receivers. Why then spend 21 million on a 30 year old receiver – although an excellent receiver – and give up at least two draft picks?

I truly hope that this is more of feint strategy then it is a real all out push. That said, the Redskins have consistently expressed desire (possible tampering issues afoot?) in getting Johnson.

I just think that you can find some good WR’s in this draft who can be around for several years. Johnson may have 2 to 3 years left before age starts to take its toll. Is this worth 21 million, at least one first round draft pick, a salary cap issue for at least two years?

ARRGGHHHHH! I would rather the Redskins trade up and give up a couple of later draft picks, etc and pick the first or second best DL, OL or WR on the board than get Johnson. I am thinking LONG TERM.

by saratogan on Apr 23, 2008 9:23 AM EDT reply reply 0 recs

More generally...

with the amount we’re already paying Moss and ARE, we’d be tieing a HUGE amount of resources into one position that isn’t even really used on many/most plays.

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by Skin Patrol on Apr 23, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

WR costs

WR are costing money: Look at all the contracts that have been paid to the top WR this year. No one would doubt Chad Johnson is still a top WR.
Looking at 2005, 2006 and 2007 first round WR picks the precentage of top performing players is very low, with a lot of busts. If pick 21 is used on a WR, the chances are very slim the player will be an elite WR.

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6 recommendations it becomes a Recommended Fan Post and stays up longer, I believe.

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by Skin Patrol on Apr 23, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

So we will never

Have a Recommended Fan Post as only 7 people read this sight, the author can’t recommend which leaves 6, who’ll never all agree.

by dr WNC on Apr 23, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Unfortunately

you’re correct.

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by Skin Patrol on Apr 24, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

It could be worse

I’d rather have7 loyal, intelligent fans who post, rather then 352 fans that post a bunch of incoherent bullshit like on some other sbnation sites…(cough) Blogging the Boys

by CptChaosSidekick on Apr 25, 2008 7:39 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs