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Outrageous

This is one of our most embarrassing days as a team in many years.

As the FOX announcers relentlessly reminded us, the Redskins were playing for their season today. And, in a display of how much they valued their season, they gave a half-hearted and embarrassing effort.

For the last couple weeks, we've seen the same problems.

The defense holds for most of the game and then is beaten in the last ten minutes of the game (probably because they're worn down). Missed tackles and a lack of hustle seep in, despite the good performance of a few individuals.

Key players fumble, drop passes, miss blocks, or get penalized on offense.

And, last but certainly most importantly, the Redskins cannot score touchdowns. There were two times we left touchdowns on the field and came off with zero points. The Mike Sellers fumble and the end of the game where we inexplicably run, throw away and then throw a SCREEN PASS?

Out of three red zone offense situations, we score 10 points. Inexcusable.

The problem on this team, more than anything, is the fact that our play-calling is absolutely horrendous. Due to the defense's overall performance (despite a lack of turnovers and sacks), you have to cut them some slack. We haven't put up more than 20 points since the Lions game... in OCTOBER.

In our last 4 losses before this we scored no more than 10 points, and today we got a whopping 13 against the 24th-ranked defense in the NFL.

I think what really bothers me, though, is the fact that this team did not see the perspective of this game. We came into this game playoff-eligible, and we could turn our season around and be 10-6. Our team was not interested.

What's dangerous is that our team does not appear to believe in Jim Zorn. They quit on him today. Portis ran hard only when he had to, because I believe that he doesn't trust Zorn. He has a point -- we have an MVP contender (at least he was) at running back, and you give Mike Sellars the ball twice at the goal line... and then he fumbles and arguably causes us the game.

The defense folded late in the game AGAIN -- and I believe it's the psychological response of defeat. They did not believe the offense could deliver on some mental level, right? You can't blame them.

Jim Zorn wrote the red-zone offense in Seattle, so there's no excuses why we can't put it in. He seriously needs to review his play-calling this offseason... and I'm now back to completely unsure of whether or not he is the right man for this job. He has not shown the ability to change course and to adjust, which is exactly what all good teams are capable of. It looks like the team has bailed out on him, which worries me.

The announcers kept saying that a team assumes the personality of its head coach. Our team folded in the fourth quarter (and slept in the first quarter) and did not put forth the complete effort you need to beat any team in the NFL. We were out-played today, but the main problem is we were out-coached.

I'm not saying fire Zorn -- unfortunately, we're stuck with him for a couple of years, for no other reason than that Jason Campbell cannot possibly be asked to adjust again -- but if our great players -- Portis in particular -- are disenfranchised, than we might as well just give up on a championship for the Zorn era.

A note on Portis: Portis has given everything possible to this team this year -- and carried them through the Taylor tragedy last year, and the rest of the Gibbs years -- so there is no doubt that I'm on his side throughout this situation. He's proven himself to me much more than Zorn has.

Anyone have any thoughts? Where do we go from here? Do you think this is a Zorn problem or a personnel problem?

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Fire Zorn!!!!!!!!!

Dan Snyder should do what he was supposed to do before he hired Zorn, Snyder must fire Zorn now and hire a proven Head Coach such as Marty Schottenheimer. We need to build a franchise such as the cowboys or Giants have done with draft picks.
I do not understand why our HC keep using Randle el when we have three rookies that contribute to the team as much as him.
Portis is the guy he is the only reason we won 7 games this season. Again FIRE zorn!!!! and if Campbell can not adjust to a new head coach nothing bad will happen remember Gibbs threw away the best QB (Patrick Ramsey) we had in the last 8 years and let’s build for the future it is the only way we are going tobe champs again……

by PGV on Dec 14, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

raiders

what are we? the oakland raiders?

firing zorn would throw us into a never ending cycle of being known as a ‘bad job’. if you fire a guy who comes in and wins 7-9 games in his first year, youre setting a precedent. what young, up and coming head coach is going to seriously consider taking this job if they know that a) the roster isnt all that great and b) one mediocre season and theyre out of a job?

and dont give me this crap about hiring a ‘proven’ guy like cowher or schotenheimer. theres a reason those guys are out of football. its because they retired. they decided to put the game behind them. making a sudden about turn from ‘im done with this’ to ‘im coming back’ rarely works. what often happens is, they retire because they cant take the grind, then, in retirement, forget about the grind and remember the winning, and decide they want that again, only to find out they still cant take the grind.

honestly, if i were cowher or schotenheimer, and zorn and romeo crennel both got fired, i would MUCH rather have the browns job. at least you dont get the sense that one 8 win season gets you fired.

by joshp on Dec 14, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Randle el......

Can anyone tell me what that little celebration is that he does every time he catches a feaking pass? You know, the one where he does this motion with his hands up over his head looking towards the sky. What the hell is that?

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 15, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heavens

i think its something about ‘opening up the heavens’

by joshp on Dec 15, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's seeing his name...

on like a headline or a banner.

Yes, I am a nerd.

by TexSkins on Dec 18, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Truoble in the Redskins Camp

Portis is a fantastic Redskin, but don’t elevate anyone on the team to a status greater than that – a member of the team. When it ceases to be a team, it crumbles. We all know that no matter how good Portis or any RB is, if there is no O-Line, there are no yards rushing. You need the entire team.
Portis is tough and when he gets hurt, he plays through it. Admirable. Commendable. Effective? Recent history says maybe not.
And what did Zorn do that was so wrong? They get Alexander and Zorn puts him in to spell a hurting Portis, and Portis seems to act like someone is stealing from him. What’s wrong with giving minutes to a former MVP in an attempt to get your real MVP back healthy? Nothing. Zorn runs Betts and Sellers and Portis sulks. Then Clinton talks to the cameras.
What was he thinking? Did he think the outburst would help the team? Really? Most millionaire athelete egos are fragile (I can’t understand why millions of dollars makes you emotionally fragile), but this was amazing to me. Portis has always presented a multi-persona uber-confidance. He’s not a mouthy TO, but the lack of discipline for the good of the team was the same.
The relationship with Coach Zorn deteriorated from what seemed to be a solid coaching choice – save your best player ‘cause he’s hurting and ‘cause you’re going to need him down the stretch. If Zorn gives him 30+ touches and he gets more damaged and can’t play, we would be all over Zorn for it. If Portis goes down, then where are we? Where we are right now, I guess.
Recently Portis was not at full-throttle and it wasn’t because he was hurt physically. The proof was the couple of times he turned it on. It was there, but he wasn’t. Portis has acted like he was personally offended by Zorn. HE was offended. The focus IS the team, nothing else. They give out team rings, not one ring. When you foget that and put yourself above the team, you put yourself and your team far away from ever getting those rings. That’s the one thing that you don’t need to be a GENIUS to know.

Is Zorn-Portis repairable? Only Clinton knows.

by Redskin Mike on Dec 14, 2008 6:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great post

NO one is bigger than the team. If the Skins have to cut ties with portis in order to clear up the locker room chemistry next year then they must. I’m tired of people like Portis.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Dec 16, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cut ties with Portis!!!!!???

The guy led the league in rushing through the first 12 weeks, has been one of the few shinning stars throughout this crap heap we call a football team over the years, ad still finds new ways to make us laugh. I’m sorry but, how dare you. I have to really call into questioning your devotion to this team. He is the MVP of our team if not the NFC and wants the ball in his hands when it matters. Zorn felt that someone else was better suited, Portis vehemently disagrees, and here we are, watching the playoffs from our couches, again. You tell me, who was right. We want to win football games, Portis wants to win football games, Portis has been here and done this for years, sometimes, when you are a rookie coach, LISTEN TO YOU VETERAN MVP!

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cannot fire Zorn

If Snyder could have hired an experienced head coach, then he would have done it when Gibbs retired the second time. No one wants the job.

Although I know the history of the Redskinds from the 1960s and early 1970s through my father, I believe we have re-entered that period. Given his choice between coaching the Redskins and death, Vince Lambardi chose death.

We are that point because no decent head coach will guide this team. Snyder has run off capable head coaches or chosen unwisely.

The problem is not Zorn or even Portis (a healthy and improved O-Line would cure a lot of issues). The problem is the front office. Where are the next Bobby Beathard and Charlie Casserly? Our front office simply stinks.

by milevin on Dec 14, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Campbell is the problem...

It is a complex system and I have no problem giving him another year. HOWEVER, I strooooongggly feel he should have shown signs of progress and improvement throughout the season and be on the verge of really getting good at some aspects of the system by now. This has not, I repeat has not happened. Our inability to throw has stacked the box against Portis and forced us to not get first downs, rendering our STOUT defense useless. We cannot move the ball, give our D a rest, nevertheless at least play a field position game. We are sitting ducks our there with nothing to do but wait until the other team finally takes advantage of our EXHAUSTED defense and cost us the playoffs. Side note, if anyone saw Matt Ryan play this year they may want to use that as a reference next time they want to pity Campbell.

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we try some honesty

What upgrades were made from the 9-7 team last year?

What changes were made to get the team better this year?

Yeah, it sucks to start 6-2 to end up 7-7 but maybe some honesty will help.

by dr WNC on Dec 14, 2008 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this

Honestly, what did we expect? The 6-2 really was false hope. The Redskins are quite simply not a good enough team to get it done. Move on, keep positive, it isn’t time to fire Zorn or put in Brennan. This year is what it is supposed to be. I think 7-7 is more than it was supposed to be.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Dec 15, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

I have completely lost faith in the posters on this website. It’s unbelievable.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Dec 16, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Taylor, Deangelo Hall, progression of rookies...

Jason Taylor was a TERRIBLE idea (seriously, sack someone, mascot, someone!) and will really start to turn the knife when we don’t pick any players in the second round this year. Hall has been money and our secondary is one of the best if not the best in the NFL (trade Springs, get draft pick, give money to Hall, PLEASE!) Our rookies should have progressed by now, but there are not getting any action, how could they develop, nevertheless make an impact. Landry, Rogers, Macintosh, Montgomery, Golston, Portis, o-line (shot out to Heyer), all developed and put in great seasons. We have veteran studs everywhere, but you have to be able to develop some sort of passing attack, something somehwere somehow.

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We should have

Kept Saunder’s offense and let Campbell grow and develop into it. At least in that offense I guarantee we would have been scoring more, taking more shots down field, and would be in the playoffs. Many people don’t realize how much of a difference your offense can make to your defense.

If our offense was able to stay on the field and score more, the defense would be more energized and enthusiastic.. However, with our offense playing like it is I wouldn’t want to keep going on the field as a defense to constantly bail the offense out. Yes, the defense is given a pay check to do their job (millions of dollars I might add) but how many of the players do you honestly think are giving their all when they see that the offense isn’t?

I was one of the fans that thought getting rid of Zorn after one year would be ridiculous but he has not shown one inch of progress if you ask me when he’s most needed it. He is constantly doing these rinky dink, 5 yard passes and it’s hardly going anywhere. Maybe, it’s Zorn, maybe it’s Campbell but our offense has to change and change drastically if we’re going to become a contender. I always liked Seattle’s offense whenever we had to face them in the playoffs. I don’t understand why Zorn’s offense is so much different. I hope we’re not scoring lately because the offense is new and we haven’t completely installed everything in the playbook

by bigrm18 on Dec 14, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Some quarterbacks/coaches just don't have what it takes.

Sitting around and waiting for a quarterback to “develop” rarely works. Most quarterbacks either have it or they don’t. Yeah, you shouldn’t bench a guy after a few bad games, but after awhile, everyone knows when a quarterback is a bust. Consider the ultimate developmental project, Kyle Boller. To this day, I still know several people that will defend Boller to their deaths. He showed flashes. Heck, sometimes he looked like Elway, but any expert would tell you that Boller is a certified bust. He’s not a winner. Now, look at Flacco and Ryan. I know that it’s very rare and unusual for rookies to do so well, but what about Brady, Manning, and Roethlisberger? Didn’t they do the same thing? True, there are quarterbacks like Rivers and Romo who needed a little time. However, those guys haven’t been in a “need to develop” conversation year after year. Now, I’m sure there are going to be all kinds of excuses (coaching changes, lack of receivers, bad play calls), but winners don’t make excuses… they win. Quarterbacks that cannot win need to be benched, plain-and-simple. It’s hard to do, but it needs to be done.

Now as far as coaches are concerned, it’s much trickier. A coach cannot simply be fired. It carries MAJOR consequences. If a franchise becomes a revolving door for coaches, it usually results in many losing seasons. The franchise earns a losing reputation. That’s why having a good owner with a good supporting-cast (front office) is so important. It may be the most fundamental and critical component to a winning football franchise. On the other hand, you cannot just allow a coach to doom a decade of football. Coaches must be winners as well, and losing coaches must be fired eventually. Now, you cannot fire him after a good season. However, what is a good season? It’s not ALL about the record. If a team goes 9-7, but the coach loses control of the team, that certainly cannot be a good season. Like alot of things in life, it’s not an easy decision. I think that the best decisions are made by intelligent owners who understand leadership/people, and many of the best moves are made the “gut-feeling” of those great men. Again, it’s not easy, and many times even the best-laid plans fail.

by BAL_Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Should read:

“I think that the best decisions are made by intelligent owners who understand leadership/people, and many of the best moves are made on the "gut-feeling" of those great men.”

by BAL_Hawk on Dec 16, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

Can someone PLEASE tell me why, one reason why we removed Greg Williams and Al Saunders from our team. They were there through Sean Taylor, they were there in the playoffs, they were there, have been there, and would be there with us throughout whatever came our way. Proven, successful coaches find ways to pur there players in position to win tough games, little niches that work just good enough to get the four points to beat Dallas, little niches to prevent us from loosing AT HOME TO ST. LOUIS! Sure we had a good run and maybe Blanche and crew will progress, but may you ask yourself do we really need to be sitting here at 8-7 right now?

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I mean look at the powerhouse St. Louis offense.

And what has Blache done to second guess his being here?

Yes, I am a nerd.

by TexSkins on Dec 25, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NOT BLITZ!

How many sacks did we have last year? 33 sacks This year? 23. I’m happy with what he has been able to do. Our defense has played well. However, not giving up yardage and creating turnovers and two totally different aspects of defense. The turnovers make the offense better with field positions and many time points. The yardage simply gives our pathetic excuse for a passing game wither into non-playoff contention. The real problem is getting rid of Al Saunders.

by jdouble on Dec 27, 2008 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zorn's Fine. Campbell's Fine

Okay, so we should take chances downfield. To whom, exactly? Moss is mobbed by defenders because the team has no one else capable of getting open reliably. On the rare instances when Moss draws single coverage, how long do you think it takes him to get downfield – 4 seconds? 5? Campbell is running for his life after two or three. Would you rather have him ignore the two linemen and a linebacker bearing down on his at hypersonic speed because the linemen barely touched them?

And let’s not rag on the Sellers calls either. Any NFL team should be able to get two yards in two tries on a goal-line dive by a 275 pound fullback. The Redskins didn’t because their line entirely lacks the ability at this point in the season to move the pile at all.

There’s a reason that Portis is so banged up. He’s having to fight through a defensive lineman on almost every carry, which holds him up so that he gets tattooed by a linebacker and/or a safety after a couple yards. It doesn’t matter who you put in that backfield. He’s going to get pummeled every game and pieces will start to fall off halfway into the season.

The team needs some offensive lineman in the worst way. Until that happens, they’re going to be nothing better than a sub-.500 team.

by jimmiebjr on Dec 14, 2008 10:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Finally, a voice of reason.

Though I’d argue that Zorn is far from “fine”. The past few weeks he’s looked like a boy who lost his puppy. The fire’s gone. The tenacity’s gone. He looks….distant. Depressed almost. Like even he can’t believe what’s unfolding in front of him. He’s drowning. Nobody really knows but Zorn but it’s painfully obvious that he has no solution for getting his head above water. And you know what? I don’t think it’s his fault.

It’s been said over and over and over again, but it needs to be said again. The front office is a fucking joke. That’s where change needs to happen. Desperately. The “talent evaluators” need not let the door hit them in the ass. We all know it’s unlikey that Snyder will sell the team anytime soon, so I propose that the only chance we have at success this decade is if Vinny is sent packing. Not the first time you’ve heard that, I know.

Every revolution begins small. Flood the phone lines, people. Tell this guy we’re not gonna take it anymore. Tell him that we know he’s a phony and an overpaid yes man with too much responsibility.

How amazingly satisfying would it be to get on the line with Vinny and personally ask him for his resignation? Imagine the impact it might have if a hundred, a thousand, two thousand, TEN THOUSAND of us called in every Monday and personally asked Vinny Cerrato for his resignation on live radio.

Think Snyder would get it then?

by ReggieBullits on Dec 14, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is He Supposed to Do

Sure, Zorn could rant and rave, but that’s not his style. This is the guy whose motto is “Stay Medium”, which is exactly what he’s doing. He’s not drowning by any means. He simply doesn’t have the horses to beat an NFL team right now and he’s doing the best he can with what he has. I think his Sellers call on the goal line proves that. He used the best players he had to gain a couple yards. No amount of screaming and yelling is going to make things any better for him.

As for Vinny, I agree. The guy is, at best, a mixed bag when it comes to picking personnel. perhaps the receivers he drafted this yer will pay off next year. But we still need hosses on the o-line or it wouldn’t matter if we had five Jerry Rices.

by jimmiebjr on Dec 15, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Could not disagree more.

First, may I start off may saying what in the world are you thinking when you say Campbell is running for his life. For most of the season his blind side has been the best protected blind side in all of football, thank you Chris Samuels for being nothing less that a FREAK OF NATURE…again. What is the difference between now and the year Moss was one of the top yardage receivers in the league? Brunell versus Campbell, is the only thing, seriously, the only thing that has changed (coaches as well, which I also see as apart of the problem). You set up play-action, with our running game the way it was there is NO WAY the safeties were not going to bite. Lastly, if your line if banged up, and you are not going to get it in with your MVP, throw it to Cooley! (First time in five year career he has not had 6 TDs, FIRST TIME!)

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

playoffs just weren't meant for the skins this year.

 i’ve been a skins fan since i was able to walk, but i think we all have to admit, the playoffs weren’t meant for the redskins this year. jim zorn isn’t the problem. he’s been an amazing coach and has had some really good plays this season. – i think we all can admit that. i mean, just 2 months ago the skins were 6-2 and second place in the nfc east. THEY WERE DOING BETTER THAN THE COWBOYS AT ONE POINT ! and replacing jason campbell with the backup qb won’t do any good since jc’s throws have been on point.
 i just think we all need to focus on the skins 09 season and hope for the best.

by quortney.baybee on Dec 15, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

You watched them for that long and that is all the bitterness you can muster up. In case you have not noticed teams go through cycles…don’t stay great for long, as players age etc. What I’m saying is that our team is in the prime and will now start to quickly fall apart. Many of our best players (Portis (well over a thousand rushes in past four seasons), Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Pete Kendall) they are all on their way out and costing our team A LOT of money (let me not forget 8.5 million Jason Taylor and 3 million P. Daniels). We needed to stop changing everything all the time, find a great QB and keep him with Al Saunders and leave Greg Williams working that defense. If these things happened I don’t know how we could have succeeded. BTW, Matt Cassel is a free agent this year.

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is obvious

it’s the front office’s fault. Vinny Cerato needs to go, and Danny Boy needs to get out of the way. We need a real GM not an owner and his puppy.

Did you see the Ravens and Steelers, and Cowboys and Giants. Did you see what rushing the quarterback can do for your team? Do you see how Romo picks people apart when given a little time, and when he is hurried he sucks? If you don’t have that, it doesn’t matter how good your WR and RB’s and QBs are. Our secondary would be all over sports illustrated if they didn’t have to defend against a QB who knows he will never be sacked. Our secondary should get a purple heart for incredibly performance under fire and with no support.

Synder is a cancer, and Vinny is worthless. Until they get someone an O and D line, not worth talking about anything else.

by lancer on Dec 15, 2008 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't tell us that Vinny's worthless.

We already know that.

Tell Vinny that he’s worthless. Tell him every Monday until something is done about it. 301-230-0980

by ReggieBullits on Dec 15, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Where was vinny on his show today?

by ACo on Dec 15, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Insider mentioned on Sunday

That today would be a planned day off. Makes you wonder…

by ReggieBullits on Dec 15, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But will he listen Reggie?

More to the point, will Mr. Snyder?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Dec 16, 2008 2:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I second, third, and fifty-seven that notion! Greg Williams would not hesitate to throw the house at any point. In case someone has not told Blanche, our secondary can handle man coverage! This is very important and I really hope that in the very least this one aspect of our season really gets the limelight because if we can just change this I think it will go realllllly far next year. This would more than anything create turnovers giving Campbell great field position as well as confidence that we have the opposition on the ropes LET US GET THE BURNERS ROARING!

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im not worried about it.

Firing Zorn after this year would be downright irresponsible. If players are quitting on their coach then they need to go play for another team as far as I am concerned. If you can’t find a reason to go out there and bust your ass every week then there is a problem with you. In film this week, watch your middle linebacker kill himself for his team on every play and feel ashamed of yourselves. The effort was pathetic.

My goodness, give a guy some time to get acclimated to his new job. What did we expect from him, really? Why do we keep pointing fingers at our coach, when the people running our team decided not to significantly address either side of the line with our TEN picks? Personally, I think Jim Zorn is going to be fine if he is retained. He has a great deal of learning to do from this season. I am shocked at how bland the play calling has become.

If you get rid of Zorn, go ahead and let Campbell go too. Begin the Colt Brennan era in Washington because JC will be shot. Use your draft WISELY. Get to know the kids you are drafting, and pick some f-ing players who you intend on PLAYING. I feel like Fred Davis should be having a huge season on another team, I honestly feel bad that he has to be here. Draft Alex Mack please.

I’m just extremely disappointed. The team, the fans, the whole organization is frustrating me. I’m not sure I can stomach another game like this.

by Romans12 on Dec 15, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Honestly, 6-2 to start the season screwed some people up with thier thinking

The Washington Redskins are worst are going to finish 7-9.
1. Going to finish 4th in the NFC east
2. Players didn’t quite fit the WCO transition
3. Offensive line is old and wearing out.
4. No upgrade to the Defensive line
They are what they are…and then to compare the Redskins to a few teams such as Detriot or the Raiders…which continue to lose with out direction…11 years now for the Raiders?
What happened to Jacksonville, San Diego, Seattle, Cleveland, Green Bay these clubs all added players to get better, have the same head coach and several were picked as possible super bowl contenders.
The fans need to calm down and allow the Redskins to actually build a winner.

by dr WNC on Dec 16, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rock on!

I’m also a huge USC (actually Pete Caroll) fan and I watched Fred Davis single handedly dismantle the PAC-10 last year. Seriously, give me some two TE sets, they can both block and catch amazingly! How can you gameplan, nevertheless stop such a tandem. Do so and then add the veteran presence and speed of Moss on the flank or deep down the sideline and we have to be able to add a few first downs. Secondly, I really like the full-house formation that seattle used and with a FB like Sellers and backup RB like Betts WHY are we not using these plays!

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't become Oakland, Detroit or Arizona

In my humble opinion, one of our biggest problems, is our revolving door policy with head coaches. While I am far from happy with this season, what to do? Fire Zorn? And hire who? Schottenheimer is doubtful to return, and why would he, Cowher is gonna have a zillion offers to coach again, not just in the NFL , but possibly the NCAA too. And I’ll pass on another phenom college coach, I’m still uber pissed at Spurrier. At this point it seems the Skins faithful will continue to be screwed, this season, and probably next. Here’s to a (hopefully) good draft. But to lose to the Bengals……damn!!!!!!!!!

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Dec 16, 2008 1:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

coach and QB=winner

I think we need to take a step back and look at what has happened in the NFL over the last decade. There are a few common denominators with having a successful season. Teams make significant improvements from one year to the next. People keep suggesting it is our personnel which I do agree with on certain factors. Quarterback and both Defensive and Offensive line.

This year there are a few good examples of my main point. Miami, Baltimore, and Atlanta were considered bottom tiered teams. Each team has a new coach and quarterback and they are all getting better every game. The experts were all saying it will take years for them to make major improvement. That is not the case. The excuse that Jason Campbell has had 7 offensive systems in 7 years is getting old. It is still the same game and you either have it or you don’t. I would also suggest our running game should have given him an advantage with the passing game. No one is afraid of Cambell beating them with his decisions.

The Coach is the main reason for success or failure. Parcells, Cowher, Schottenheimer, Belichick, Coughlin, Tomlin, and Fisher. They show intensity and provide a fear factor that all players need. It is still early but we have three rookie head coaches that seem to have there teams playing at a high level. When I watched the first Dallas or Philly game we had a strut or attitude. Early on when the Redskins were playing well you could see high intensity and also a play to win attitude. Seriously go back and look at the film. From the end of the play to the next play you could see they were on a mission. The Rams game was the first game I saw the old tendencies that occurred over the past 4 years. Slow to the huddle and slow to the line of scrimmage. We were no longer dictating the pace of the game or style of play. You could see a conservative or should I say scared to make a mistake style of play. We no longer played to win at all cost. Once you move to that approach I think it is almost impossible to turn the switch back on. Just look at Norv Turner. That San Diego team was a beast just two years ago. Look at them now.

I think it is still too early to give up on Zorn. I also think they need to put Campbell on the bench. Let him watch. He needs to understand it is a privilege to be the quarterback and he needs to earn the job on the field when given the opportunities. That seemed to work for Philly. I also believe he is using the excuse of new system as the reason for his slow development. Also funny that a quarterback can make the offensive line look good or bad just by his play. Defense blitzes and gets burned a few times with a good pass/catch they will stop being so aggressive. Jason doesn’t make quick decisions and holds the ball by his knees even with pressure. Name one play in the last 6 weeks where we made a defense pay for blitzing? They will keep 8 in the box to stop the run or blitz at will until we can show our quarterback will make them pay. It was not by accident we won the last 4 or 5 games when he was hurt last year.

by Skin4life on Dec 16, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Coach and QB is too simple, what about the rest of the team.

Atlanta, would they be where they are without the other upgrades: Turner? (RB) 2008 , rebuilt def line 2007 and 2008, WR improved in 2007, OF line in 2007 and 2008 draft and free agency. The coach and quarter back or building a team with a solid base then adding a coach and a QB to become succesful.
Miami, the 2008 upgrade at offensive tackle, along with another first rounder and two FA signings in 2007: Sounds like a brand new offensive line…a first round 07 draft choice at WR. free agents to help the Defensive line.

Could keep going team after team, see the succesful teams struggle through VERY bad years rebuilding the “core”. The Redskins need to rebuild the core of the team….Amazingly it’s not about a coach and a QB

by dr WNC on Dec 16, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The dust has cleared slightly:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/15/AR2008121503169.html

A few days after that brutal loss, I think I agree completely with Michael Wilbon’s commentary in the Washington Post. Let’s face it — Jason and Zorn are who we’re working with, and if we for some reason decide to cut the cord on Zorn after a season where no one expected us to be 7-7 at this point in the season, we’re basically maniacs.

by mmford10 on Dec 16, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why is the world did we not expect to be 7-7!?

Maybe because we got rid of Greg Williams and Al Saunders!? Maybe becuase we knew that Campbell was not going to evolve, develop, and grow into the QB Tony Romo, Troy Aikman, etc. are or were? We don’t need to upgrade the WRs, RBs, O-line, we already had/have all of those things. We need good play callings and inspiration. The Patriots succeed every single year, why…. why!? You must have a GREAT coach and a GREAT QB, the rest you can fill in but not the other way around. We have a GREAT LT, RB, MLB, CB, etc. but a mediocre QB and coach. Come on now, I’ve got the Folger’s brewing…

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just win this weekend.

I know no one here is interested in doing the Cowboys any favors, but as a ‘Boys fan, I’d be pleased if you knocked the Eagles down a peg and helped us a little this weekend.

John 14:6

by DMorgan on Dec 16, 2008 4:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah DMorgan

I’m sure appealing to Skins fans on behalf of the Romo rangers, on a Redskins site is gonna work, we despise the eagles…and the ’boys.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Dec 18, 2008 3:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yean I know

Not an appeal, halofolife. Just being a fan on a fan site. Sorry about that. =/

John 14:6

by DMorgan on Dec 18, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey DMorgan, no worries

Just being a die-hard assh*le fan of the Skins, no need to say sorry

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Dec 19, 2008 4:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Campbell, Suisham, & ?

Now I’m not one to start poking at guys when we’re not winning the race, but here’s what I see:
Campbell doesn’t have the confidence to be a star. He’s not a risk-taker . . . and I just don’t believe, under Zorn, he’ll ever grow into that role.
Suisham . . . it’s unbelievable to me that he wasn’t cut a week or two ago. This guy is a liability to the team. He can’t even consistently perform a kickoff w/o sending it out of bounds resulting in a substantial penalty . . . they need to let him go.
? Who else ? Not sure . . . Zorn? No. We need to give the guy a chance.

I went to the Cincinnati game . . . 50 yard line . . . 17th row . . . full Redskins garb . . . While it was great to be there with and for our team – it was one of the lowest sports moments in my life. How . . . How did we let that happen . . .

by DHall on Dec 20, 2008 6:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Something must be addressed...

We cannot afford to simply look at the failures of this season as something we simply have to get through. Otherwise we will be back here next year doing the same thing except our perennial Pro Bowlers are going to be long gone before we are able to take advantage of them… I’ve waited too long for this, I don’t care if we go through this after winning one Super Bowl, but we needed to strike two years ago, last year, this year, and in the bery least next year. I just don’t see how you can justify giving a playoff team to three rookie coaches, we are not the Rams, we are not rebuilding, we are in the position to win now, we need the people making the calls to be able to do that, NOW!

by jdouble on Dec 24, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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