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Redskins lose to the Cowboys 14-10

Quick thoughts and then I'm off to bed. As I doubt no Cowboys fan likes to write about losing to the Redskins, no Redskins fan likes to talk about losing to the Cowboys. I'm brief because I hate the territory.

  • The offensive play calling was not good. Normally when we convert 3rd downs I have some sense that it was due in large part to a well designed play. This entire game, barring one screen pass which I thought was well timed, when we converted on third down (so, really, the other four times, as we went an awful 5 of 14 on the most important down) it felt like great individual effort by the players. It is never fair to blame exclusively the coaching staff, or the players, for a loss, but this one felt like coaching.
  • Clinton Portis is a man. He came out and ran despite injury and I respect him more and more as this season moves forward. His pockets are, indeed, straight.
  • 3.6 yards is how many we had per passing attempt. I read a lot of box scores post-Redskins games and I cannot recall the last time that number was lower. That includes sacks, but even without we're well below 5 yards per attempt. That's just dog meat. How many times does the well have to come up dry before you stop lobbing to the sideline. If it doesn't work the first two times -- and by doesn't work I mean getting tackled for a loss or somewhere around there -- it's not going to work. Even when that play is working you shouldn't go there more than 3-4 times a game. They watch game tapes, ya know?
  • I hate when the Cowboys succeed at anything, but I appreciate the logic in going for it late in the game with a 4 point lead. Wade Phillips had guts for doing that and I respect him for it. One of the reasons I love Jim Zorn is because he's not afraid to go for it, so I can't well criticize the other bastard for sharing similar sentiments, especially when they succeed. We went for it on 4th and 4 with 6 minutes left. I imagine many of you are going to have something to say about that decision. I loved it, we didn't convert, that sucks, but I thought it was the right call.
  • 228 yards of offense? On an average day, the worst offense in the league (Bengals) gets 240 someodd yards. That just sucks and it tells the entire story of the game, which probably wasn't as close as the score.
  • The defense played better than I'm feeling about them right now. Fresh in my mind is Marion Barber and company running down our throats seemingly at will, but the box score looks fine. 315 yards drags the Cowboys' season average down, two turnovers, nothing ridiculous on either yards per rush or passing attempt... A slightly high third down percentage (5/11, lower, actually, than the Cowboys' season average) is the only thing bothersome I see. You should've stopped them at the end, defense, but why do we deserve to win any games if we can't score more than 10 points? We'd be 0-9 this year with 10 points per game.

Congrats Dallas, etc. I'm not in panic mode just yet, but we looked strong at the beginning of the season and progressively worse since. Getting demolished by the Steelers, beaten by the Rams, and struggling to beat the Lions and Browns is not good. I don't know where that week two through five team went, but I miss them.

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Tough loss, guys

… but that’s been the Skins/Boys history since I’ve known in from the 70s on …

Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes

by Raul Villaronga on Nov 17, 2008 12:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One note on the 4th and 4

I liked the call of going for it.

I DID NOT like the actual play that was called.

They had been shutting down receivers all day. That slant pass was way too low percentage a shot. The ball should have been run. And not up the middle, either.

A pitch to the outside, a misdirection, a draw, maybe a quarterback keeper. Any of these. Start with a spread formation, and do ANY kind of delay, even a bootleg, and you should be able to get four yards against an defense that had to guard against the pass.

I know, I know. Monday morning QB. But it was uninspired play calling, and I have come to expect better this season. It’s Zorn’s own fault for setting the bar so high!

by zknower on Nov 17, 2008 12:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Increased concern

Jason Campbell has played well, and is a good quarterback but can he lead this team to the next level. Last nights performance has increased the concern level.
The play calling last night was not as much as a concern as the execution, which includes a number 2, 3 and 4 reciever.
Dallas tried to beat themselves with stupid mistakes, the Redskins beat themselves by not having options for passing other than a TE, Full back and a triple covered WR. Where was ARE, Devin who?, Thrash?
Pass protection was an issue, but was some of it the too long setup and read required by campbell?

by dr WNC on Nov 17, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Moreso every week the offense looks like the one that I and others demanded Brunell get benched for running. There is no utility in having the only available pass be the dump off to someone at or near the line of scrimmage. You shouldn’t be throwing 7 yard passes into coverage.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Nov 17, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the call was fine Dallas just had good coverage. When JC finaly threw the ball there was not that much space he could have fit it into.

by Manster_54 on Nov 17, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the redskins are for real...

you guys pushed us to the limit….and the L you hung on us woke us up just in time save our season….i hate losing but i guess i should thank you guys for that…

clinton portis has my respect. he gutted it out dealing with a tough injury. he’s a man, as they say.

same goes for jason campbell (aka steve harvey). he took a lot of shots and keep trying to make plays. he’s a good young player that’s only going to get better.

but i’m just so deliriously happy with this win. i’d like to say something witty. but i’m just exhausted. good luck next week and hopefully we’ll meet again this year sometime down the road…..

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Nov 17, 2008 1:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why they didn't pick on Newman

he showed over and over again that he couldn’t cover deep. He was cheating up closer and close with each screen pass or swing pass we threw, which kept him out of trouble. The one time we really test him and he gets burnt, only to have Moss drop the ball.

Why not run THAT play eleventy billion times instead of swing pass to a guy with a sprained MCL over and over again?

The playcalling made the Cowboys defense (which is one of the worst in the league) look above average. That’s the disgusting part.

Mike Martz will shred them next week because he doesn’t even know what the words ‘Off-Tackle’ mean. They’ll get lit up for 420 yards in the air by a 3rd string QB and I’ll be sitting here slitting my wrists because we could have done the same thing. Instead? Swing pass.

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 17, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You're delusional buddy.

So Newman got beat once, he was all over Moss last night as was the whole secondary on the Skins Wr’s. The Skins couldn’t handle the Cowboys pass rush just like they couldn’t handle Pittsburgh’s. Zorn himself said he had to alter the playcalling because the Cowboy’s pass rush was so good.

by houseofprime on Nov 17, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they had great coverage

especially since every pass play was called 3 yards off the line of scrimmage. When they finally threw downfield, the Cowboys had to ‘be honest’ and they were giving up huge chunks of yards. Then Zorn called that ridiculous play on 4th and 6 and the game was over.

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 17, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's called the West Coast Offense
The one time we really test him and he gets burnt, only to have Moss drop the ball.

Why not run THAT play eleventy billion times instead of swing pass to a guy with a sprained MCL.

Wasn’t that play on the last drive for the Redskins at 10:30 left in the game? Hardly the time to start going deep. Wait – Campbell threw it deep 3 other times before that. and completed 1 to Randle El who was covered by CB Anthony Henry.

It just doesn’t make sense to play off 5-10 yards against a WCO team that throws the short passes. Pressure that Campbell was getting started from the get go and had n effect on his decision-making.

It’s not like he wasn’t trying to get the ball to Moss anyway …

Moss: 11 passes, 5 catches, 1 pick
Cooley: 9 passes, 7 catches
Randle El: 3 passes, 1 catch
Sellers: 2 passes, 2 catches
Portis: 2 passes, 2 catches
Betts: 2 passes, 2 catches
Thomas: 5 passes, 3 catches

Looking at those numbers, it appears that Moss has the worse completion percentage. Whose fault is that? Zorn? Campbell? Maybe, just maybe, the defender had a little something to do with it

In any case, saying that Moss dropped the 29th pass that Campbell threw and that proves that Dallas can’t cover, so they should have thrown deep more often, well, that doesn’t really make sense to me. If it had been a thrown earlier in the game, then I think you may have a point, but not that late in the game.

Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes

by Raul Villaronga on Nov 18, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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