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In the future, everyone still thinks the NFC East rules

Fairly uncontroversial statement in today's game: NFC East reigns supreme over all other conferences. Indeed it is repeated so often I only feel the need to state it over and over again so that I'm on the record. Does anyone disagree with the thrust of this fanpost? It is the winningest division in football with the most net points by a mile. We're 14-5 and, incredibly, four of our five losses came from inside the division. Compare that to other competent divisions like the AFC East (11-6, with three losses coming in division) or the NFC South (!!!) (12-8, with 3 of those losses coming in division) and we're way out ahead in the division arms race. We're the only division still undefeated in our non-conference schedule. NFC East is good, for serious, I'm not joking.

And it remains that way in the future. For those of you getting hair cuts this week or those of you who just subscribe to Sports Illustrated the magazine (cnnsi website here), tomorrow -- I can see into the future -- you may read an article by Damon Hack discussing precisely the hegemony of the NFC East and the effect that will have on the participants.

In his article that hegemony is very much assumed. As an example:

Now the Giants (4–0), Redskins (4–1), Cowboys (4–1) and Eagles (2–3) are harking back to that era, pulverizing opponents and themselves in search of a Super Bowl title. With only one defeat outside the division—the Eagles' loss to Chicago in Week 4—the East is borrowing the mantra of its predecessors: Give it all in the division, and the lumps will only make you stronger.

"that era" being the late 80s and early 90s when the division was so damned dominant. Although there's a decent amount of history in the article, which is very entertaining, the part that struck me the most was the discussion (had here soon, below, I hope) of whether it was a good or bad thing to be stuck in such a dominant division. Competing theories would be, at least per the article:

"Anytime you're winning games, especially in this division, people start talking about you," says Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell. "Now teams are going to put that X on our back."

Or, alternatively, just remember that only three of us can go to the playoffs and wild card chances are decreased by the apparently stout competition we'll face by having to beat up on one another. But perhaps it is all character building?

"The team fortunate enough to win this division will be the team best positioned to win the Super Bowl," says Eagles president Joe Banner, whose club might be among the best half-dozen in the league even as it sits at the bottom of the NFC East. "Some people think you're going to knock yourselves out, but I see the highly competitive team rising to the occasion and being better. The history of the division backs that up."

So... question to reader(s) is, would you trade yourself to the NFC West with its increased likelihood of a better record and thus an easier road to the division title or a wild card? Many would say yes, I wouldn't, but for other reasons (I wouldn't sacrifice rivalry games or all the promises of postseason certainty in the world). Or, instead, is there any logic to the argument that 'tis best to stay in the East since whatever team escapes this year into the playoffs will be in a better position for having done so, since it will be battle tested enough to go all the way?

Food for thought. I think existing (and in our case excelling) in the East is a badge of honor to be flaunted, not lamented. As I stated above I wouldn't trade these rivalry games lightly, either. And given the NFC East Super Bowl success of the late 80s, early 90s, and last year's Giants, isn't there some compelling anecdotal evidence that bloodied champions of this division also make for great NFL Champions?

If the playoffs were tomorrow, the Redskins and the Cowboys would be the NFC wild card teams and I have a hard time believing anyone outside our division would get favorable odds against us, Dallas, or the Giants.

Whatcha think?

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80s and 90s

That was some Fun Times, the past is becoming the future again: And thank goodness for Redskins Faithful it started with the Giants, and hopefully will change with the cowgirls. NFC EAST rules, HTTR

by dr WNC on Oct 7, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

well this is my first...

Great season i ever watched with the skins. The next best season before that was 2005. I was born in 93 so I didnt get to see the great redskins .Then I never really started watching it until 2005 when i got directv. That is when I really pared close attention. Now the skins are doing good. Man I really hope they go all the way.

by skinsnyankees on Oct 7, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the NFC East

The competition is great. I love rivalry games – I feel like the games in our division are the only ones that come close to that college rivalry feel.

Plus, it’s nice to have a built in excuse in case you miss the playoffs. I’ll leave it with a quote I saw today in regards to McNabb’s comments on how the Eagles are better than us.

“Who went down to Dallas and came away with a win? Not you. Who came into the Linc and beat you on your home field? Who made the playoffs last season? Not you. Who has won four straight games? Not you.” – Ray Didinger

by Romans12 on Oct 7, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Was that the...

quote where it said “we lost to a team we should’ve beaten” I thought that was a bunch of bull.

by skinsnyankees on Oct 7, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Playing in the NFC East

is what makes the NFC East teams so great. Its circular logic, but it holds some truth. As far as I can tell, the NFC East is the toughest division in football. By tough I mean physically tough. The NFC East tends to heavy running games and domination of the line, even the west coast offense NFC East teams. Its not so easy to notice when they play eachother, but when an NFC East team plays out of their division, I usually get the impression that the other team is getting physically abused. That crucible really makes a difference in the long run. Teams which aren’t used to playing physical, ball control type games often get derailed, then tired, then run over when faced by guys that are used to grinding it out the old fashioned way.

Plus, the games are so much more exciting. It really wasn’t too fascinating to watch NE take Miami apart last year. Same same with NE and the Jets and last years Bills. But watching any NFC East divisional game, even the last spot against the first, was incredible last year. Like the Eagles taking out the Cowboys in december, despite being a 6 and 8 team going against a 12-2 team.

Lastly, do you really give NE (as of last season) the same credit for being on top of the AFC East than you an NFC East team being on top of their divison? I don’t. The competition just isn’t there. The G-men are in a similar situation right now. They are rated no. 1, but aside from a hatchling ‘Skins team they have faced the dregs of the NFL. I won’t believe the hype about them until they face off against Dallas or Philly, preferably at Dallas or Philly, and walk home with a win. Until then, they simply havn’t proven themselves as worthy of no. 1 despite their perfect record.

Bottom line: Competition is good. Good competition is better. Teams with good competition play better than teams with bad competition.

TTB!

by Ach on Oct 7, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't trade it for 40 straight Division Titles

And 40 straight early round exits.

Consider the MLB. I’m an Angels fan. While my devotion to that team and sport pales in comparison to that of the Skins, I follow them very closely between March and October. The Angels division, the AL West, is the NFC West of MLB. The Angels won 100 games this season and damn right they won another division title and hell yeah all that felt fantastic as a fan, but the problem is that the Angels were the only team in their division worth a shit. Hell, Frankie Rodriguez had more SAVES then Seattle had WINS. So how good were they, really?

The truth was painfully obvious for the past week and for the second straight post-season as the Angels of the AL West wilted into the off-season at the hands of the Boston Red Sox of the AL East, a much more competitive and top to bottom stronger division that I very much consider the NFC East of MLB.

Sorry for all that baseball talk, but my point is that tough division competition breeds success and confidence that you just can’t grow by stomping the teams you face the most. I’m echoing the sentiment of Ach, but I’ll say it again for posterity. Good teams get better by playing other good teams and the bad teams are forced to get better to compete with those good teams.

by ReggieBullits on Oct 8, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

17-1

if the NFC East wins the games they are supposed to over the next few weeks, the NFC East will start the season 17-1 outside the division.

That’s SCARY good.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 8, 2008 4:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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