"redskin" is an offensive name
I"m a long time Washington 'Redskin' fan. I grew up in the Washington DC area and I remember rooting for Riggins and the Hogs in the early eighties. It was an important part of my childhood. Once when I was growing up, I remember Charles Mann saying something along the lines that 'redskin' was offensive to him. I never thought anything about it until a few years later when I came face to face with the legacy of racism.
Through my experiences working with people of various race backgrounds, I learned that too often I was unconscious of race privilege in our society. Because I grew up white, I never had to address in-sensitivities that my white culture made against minority race cultures.
When looking at the Washington football team, I really want to root for the team but feel terrible about the use of the name "redskin'. Now in all my personal conversations, I've decided to boycott the use of the term- simply referring to the Washington Football Team.
I wonder how other people on this blog feel about this issue. Do you agree with me that 'Redskin' , a derogatory term to describe native american's, shouldn't be used to describe a professional sports team? I would suggest changing the name to something along the lines the "The Hogs" as a better tribute to the virtues of our community. Offensive race speech was wrong 100 years ago, lets make a statement that it's wrong today.
I'd love to hear your toughts. Anyone agree or disagree?
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I feel the exact opposite.
And, indeed, a majority of Native Americans agree with one of us, but isn’t you.
by Skin Patrol on Oct 12, 2008 8:09 PM EDT 0 recs
aye
i remember a piece sports illustrated did several years where they conducted a bunch of polls and something like 70 or 80 percent of native americans thought the name was NOT offensive.
by joshp on
Oct 12, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
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Even when
that group of Native Americans were suing the Redskins on their copyright, they presented evidence that a) fewer than half of Native Americans found the name offensive and b) non-Native Americans were actually more offended by the team name than were Native Americans.
by Skin Patrol on
Oct 12, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
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As a descendant of Sam Houston's Cherokee Indian wife ...
I’ve been a Redskins fan for 42 years … and I’m not offended.
Political Correctness Sucks !!!
by SWFlaSkinFan on Oct 13, 2008 1:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Yes it probably should be changed
This is such an old argument. Chief Wahoo for the Cleveland Indians and the caricature of the injun drunk on firewater and susceptible to white suggestion, St. Johns Redmen oh funny how the FSU Semenholes were magically exempted from the 2005 NCAA rule banning quote offensive team names unquote, exempted because they had a contract with the Florida Seminole tribe for approved use of the name and images which is even funnier because none of the me makem big brave FSU mascot’s Indian garb even resembes anything of traditional Seminole nation so it might as well be white guy in a frat house dressed as Fiji man in blackface and a grass skirt.
Know who else was exempted from this initial list? The San Diego State Aztecs because, the NCAA argued in their infinite wisdom, the Aztecs were not a quote North American culture unquote and as such our tut tuts over cultural harm, racism and the hangover of indigenous hegemony, man fuck all that shit let’s make some money. By this same line of reasoning we could name our new college team the Pakis because after all it is not our view of all southeast Asians as inferior physically and mentally, that is someone else’s cross (or crescent) to bear.
The point of these two examples is that even serious minded people cannot devise or enforce a policy pertaining to names and imagery that a) the organization does not want to and or b) does not invoke explicit names, words and images that are currently deemed of the worst offensive type, I don’t need to go through examples.
Redskin may have a current invocation of racism and exclusion, in the linguistic main it is simply not used offensively in a manner that touches a nerve nationwide. Therefore no matter who wants us to get rid of it, or get rid of the Buffalo Bills because of the real Buffalo Bill Cody’ historic representation as a bison hunter and how the men of that time nearly hunted them to extinction, or get rid of the Buccaneers or Pittsburgh Pirates because the scourge of piracy cost so many thousands of American lives throughout our history and still continues to ravage society in places like Sudan, unless these organizations want to change themselves, like the Bullets did in their change to the Wizards as a protest to the gun violence racking DC throughout the 80s and 90s, or unless people vote with their wallets no one is going to change anything.
Yes I think they probably should change the team name and logo, the best proposal I ever heard was to keep the colors and change the logo to a redskin potato, they can change the name to whatever the hell they want, change the colors any way they want and give the team an all new logo, it does not matter to me. This is my football team.
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by thatguyben on Oct 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Aztecs
Fighting Irish, between the two one of them evokes a typically negative connotation and one doesn’t. WOULD the “San Diego State Pakistanis” really be offensive? Why? Are people not from Pakistan? Are you not allowed to name a team after a country or its people? If not, what of the Irish? Would the New England Patriots be offensive were they named the New England Americans or New England Canadians or New England Brits or New England Russians? Would our team be less offensive if we were the Washington Mongolians? Why exactly is that an offensive name?
None of these questions really need be answered, though. Linguistically, what is it we mean by the word “offensive”? Do we mean it offends at least one person? Probably not, as that would make virtually anything offense, including the Wizards, who some sheltered folk might associate with the accult (DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS IS EVIL, YO). Do we mean that it offends a substantial group of people? Yes. Do we mean it is offensive to the people the language is directed at? Probably, I would argue certainly. I would likewise add a requirement that the usage be intended to offend, as the word “niggardly” to describe cheap people. Although the word has absolutely no relation whatsoever with the highly offensive American word it is related to — indeed “niggardly” is Nordic, negro and all variations on that word are Romance language — I doubt whether many black people in this country would tolerate being called niggardly even if the speaker intended to call them miserly. And I likewise doubt the listener would treat the word as meaning “miserly” but would rather interpret it as a racial slur.
Anyways, if a majority of Native Americans don’t think the word “Redskin” is offensive, why is it considered offensive? I wasn’t raised in a world where “Redskin” was an offensive term. Whenever people discuss it as an offensive word, I’m told about a lot of racist history… but no documentation, nor is there any evidence (there might be, I’ve just never seen it) that the word was used for a long time in a deragatory manner. I’m 25 years old, I have 25 years of life experience, and I have neither heard the word used even one time to demean a race or group nor have I heard even secondhand of such a thing happening. The word “cracker” — which is laughable so far as racial slurs goes — has more substantive offensive meaning to me because I’ve at least heard it used to provoke and offend. I have never, not once, ever, heard Redskin used to provoke or offend. And that’s strange, because I’ve heard it used hundreds of times.
But the dictionary says…
by Skin Patrol on
Oct 15, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Goddamn Mongolains...
stay away from my shitty wall.
Yes, I am a nerd.
by TexSkins on
Oct 17, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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It seems apparent that...
….when the owners of the Washington franchise way back when named the team the Redskins, they meant it as an honorific. That should mean a lot in this debate.
Also, in these “you better be politically correct or else” times, there is a lot of posturing by various groups that just want their 15 minutes (it’s a real thrill to get some attention by making someone apologize for what you term an insult, regardless of the intent of the speaker – the feminists have been busy with that for a couple decades or more).
We don't even know where we are. They say that we're circling a star. Waylon Jennings.
by bradley on Oct 17, 2008 11:57 AM EDT 0 recs










